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    How about that, Noisy? What do you deduce from those seemingly contradictory events?

    I'll give you a hint: the letter to Trump was coerced.
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    Who’s paying Avenutty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Who’s paying Avenutty?
    Maybe he's working pro bono. Maybe he will accept one third of the payment Trump has to shell out. One thing you can count on is he's not being paid by the Russians who backed Trump and his campaign through misdirection and social media.

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    Pro what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Pro what?
    Bono as in Sonny. Your Google not working?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    Your Google not working?
    Right-wingers never use google to gain information. They only use it in a desperate, last-ditch attempt to find some specious third-tier source to dispute a well-established fact.

    That's the way they do everything. There is nothing they do that is not, at its core, dishonest and self-serving.

    Years ago, we had right-wing trolls who were capable of some interesting thought... but not our current crop. These guys might not be Russian bots, but they're just as shallow and predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    Right-wingers never use google to gain information. They only use it in a desperate, last-ditch attempt to find some specious third-tier source to dispute a well-established fact.

    That's the way they do everything. There is nothing they do that is not, at its core, dishonest and self-serving.

    Years ago, we had right-wing trolls who were capable of some interesting thought... but not our current crop. These guys might not be Russian bots, but they're just as shallow and predictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Muler had it, and passed it on to SDNY. He’s trying to find collusion and obstruction, so i’m noticing it must not have included any of that.
    Perhaps he turned over the portions that indicated crimes under NY State law, but kept the portions indicating collusion, obstruction and other crimes within his jurisdiction?

    It's totally possible they committed crimes in more than one jurisdiction. It's damned absurd to insist it must be one or the other.

    Honestly, the simple stuff that doesn't occur to you guys is just shocking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin
    Actually, this all seems a bit flakey to me. How does Avenatti know all this? If true, Avenatti has awesome investigatory powers.
    Quote Originally Posted by delecta
    That's fine but how did Avenatti get this information? I think you questioning this is accurate and still not answered.

    Is this a leak through Mueller?
    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell
    Where did Avenatti get this information?

    The stuff seized from Cohen's office is still privileged until declared otherwise, right? Even after it's declared not-privileged, surely the US Attorney keeps it secret?
    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez
    I'm thinking that discovery in the case filed by Avenatti on behalf of Stormy Daniels/Stephanie Clifford, has given Avenatti a window into the accounts held by Cohen from which the $130,000 was paid.
    Quote Originally Posted by delecta
    Nope, sorry dude, the information is way to detailed.

    This is a set up, leaked from Muellers office, Trump will fire him and the whole investigation will be compromised.
    Michael Avenatti received a slew of information from Stormy Daniel's first attorney, Keith Davidson. Davidson was colluding with Micheal Cohen to compromise his advocacy for Stormy Daniels. During the course of that collusion Cohen and Davidson exchanged emails. Those emails are part of the case file compiled by Davidson on behalf of Daniels. Case files are generally deemed to belong to the client. And all the information in the case file was turned over to Daniel's new attorney, Michael Avenatti.

    Over the past few days, Michael Avenatti, the attorney for Stormy Daniels, has been steadily releasing what appear to be private communications between Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s longtime attorney, and Keith Davidson, who represented Daniels when she inked a $130,000 hush-money agreement that was facilitated through a shell company set up by Cohen.

    These emails are evidence of questionable, if not unethical, collusion between Cohen and Davidson, who are ostensibly representing opposing sides of the dispute.

    One email, released by Avenatti on Twitter on Thursday, shows that Cohen was communicating with Davidson in the days after the FBI raided his home and office and seized his phones. This email suggests an ongoing collaboration between Davidson and Cohen, even though the two are not
    known to be involved in any current legal matter.


    Michael Avenatti
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    On April 9, the FBI raided Mr. Cohen’s home, office and hotel room. Within 48 hours, Mr. Cohen sent the below email to Mr. Davidson. Why? They had no ongoing legal matter at the time. Was it part of an attempt by Mr. Cohen to obstruct justice or worse? #basta

    9:25 AM - May 10, 2018
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    On Friday, Avenatti posted another email between Davidson and Cohen, from February, in which Cohen argues that Davidson should not forward part of the hush money agreement to Davidson’s new lawyer. (This didn’t work, as Avenatti obtained the “Side Letter Agreement” and released it as part of Daniels lawsuit against Cohen and Trump, filed in March.)


    Michael Avenatti
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    Knowing what we know now, no wonder Mr. Cohen was doing everything he could to interfere with Ms. Daniels' efforts to get new counsel. He was desperate to avoid the cover-up from surfacing and was afraid that competent counsel would expose him and Mr. Trump. #MoreToCome #Basta

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    This second email is not actually new and was released to NBC News in March. But it raises the question: How is Avenatti getting these emails?

    As a matter of practice, lawyers maintain case files for the benefit of their clients. If the client decides to seek new representation, the information in the case file is generally deemed to belong to the client, and it’s then forwarded to the new attorney. In this case, it appears that Davidson turned over these communications to Avenatti as part of Daniels’ case file.

    Avenatti hinted as much during a hearing in New York in late April in which he sought to intervene in a dispute about how the materials seized in the raid of Michael Cohen’s office would be handled. Avenatti argued that Davidson and Cohen were continuing to discuss his client’s case and that those communications were part of her case file, which belongs to her.

    Of course, those communications, whether they be by email, text messages, or otherwise, would technically belong to my client because it would be part of her attorney-client file.

    In other words, Avenatti is concerned there are more materials that belong to his client that were among those seized in the raid. The judge has not yet ruled on his request.

    Either way, Avenatti’s stockpile of emails potentially presents big problems for Cohen, Davidson — and possibly President Donald Trump.

    The nature of Cohen’s relationship with Davidson is key. They were supposed to be on opposite sides of a number of disputes. But the emails are evidence that the relationship between the two was more collaborative.

    Davidson’s representation of Stormy Daniels began when Cohen heard that Daniels was shopping her story around to various media outlets. It was at this point that Cohen asked Davidson to reach out to her, Davidson revealed in an interview with CNN.

    Cohen has admitted to referring at least one other client to Davidson.

    Were they each sincerely representing the interests of their clients? Or were they working in tandem to purchase their silence of women at a reduced rate and under favorable terms?

    Avenatti also says the emails contain evidence that Cohen was seeking to use his relationship with Davidson to interfere with Daniels obtaining new counsel. The purpose, according to Avenatti, was to cover up the other activities of Essential Consultants, the shell company used to pay Daniels, which also received millions from corporations seeking access to Trump.

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    Wow !

    But where did Davidson get evidence of Cohen getting money from a Russian oligarch? He's colluding with Cohen, OK, does that mean he gets to look at Cohen's bank accounts? The shell corp?
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    OK, it seems some official decided to leak this stuff from the Treasury Department. To whom, exactly? Not to Avenatti, I hope. It's a crime. How to overcome the implication that he solicited it?

    If it went from leaker to press to Avenatti, that's also a secret between them. Why did things go that way, and why is it a secret?

    Why is Avenatti doing this? He represents Stormy Daniels.
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    Well there goes all the bs that's been spewed here about google searches, discovery and so on.

    Like I said, way to detailed. It will be interesting to see how the leak was justified, was it's this person's job to monitor the file and spazzed when he saw two files missing?

    Obviously this isn't the case of being a whistle blower, all those records were available. This nut case is probably going do more time then Cohen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    Well there goes all the bs that's been spewed here about google searches, discovery and so on.

    Like I said, way to detailed. It will be interesting to see how the leak was justified, was it's this person's job to monitor the file and spazzed when he saw two files missing?

    Obviously this isn't the case of being a whistle blower, all those records were available. This nut case is probably going do more time then Cohen.
    Just a little cognitive dissonance there.
    Rattling the teacups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    OK, it seems some official decided to leak this stuff from the Treasury Department. To whom, exactly? Not to Avenatti, I hope. It's a crime. How to overcome the implication that he solicited it?

    If it went from leaker to press to Avenatti, that's also a secret between them. Why did things go that way, and why is it a secret?

    Why is Avenatti doing this? He represents Stormy Daniels.
    It turns out you're right, it was leaked. The leaker says that it needed to be leaked before it disappeared, like some other records. I suppose that makes the leaker, in his or her own eyes, a whistleblower. Whether the law agrees remains to be seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    It turns out you're right, it was leaked. The leaker says that it needed to be leaked before it disappeared, like some other records. I suppose that makes the leaker, in his or her own eyes, a whistleblower. Whether the law agrees remains to be seen.
    In my understanding it's not illegal to publish leaked stuff, and there's confidentiality of sources, but those aren't really the issue so far, which is, how and why did it come to be leaked?

    I imagine the gov is often reluctant to prosecute leaks because it just reveals more secrets.

    Seems the leaker knew from Doc 3 that Docs 1 and 2 were gone. Doc 3 refers to them. Doesn't that mean that what got leaked was Doc 3? What else was in it, that wasn't in 1 and 2?

    Why wasn't this a matter for the leaker to take to his/her supervisor? Is there some suggestion that the supervisor had something to do with the disappearance of 1 and 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    In my understanding it's not illegal to publish leaked stuff, and there's confidentiality of sources, but those aren't really the issue so far, which is, how and why did it come to be leaked?

    I imagine the gov is often reluctant to prosecute leaks because it just reveals more secrets.

    Seems the leaker knew from Doc 3 that Docs 1 and 2 were gone. Doc 3 refers to them. Doesn't that mean that what got leaked was Doc 3? What else was in it, that wasn't in 1 and 2?

    Why wasn't this a matter for the leaker to take to his/her supervisor? Is there some suggestion that the supervisor had something to do with the disappearance of 1 and 2?
    Leakers typically leak because the normal avenues for information are blocked. For example, what if the leaker thought the supervisor was the one deleting information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Just a little cognitive dissonance there.
    Yeah, you have a problem with that. That's OK, I'll let it go.

    I'm not sure how your computer works but when a file is gone, it's gone. I suppose if he was watching it with baited breath every single day and then all of a sudden a file or two is missing, that might excite him. I wonder why he would be watching this? In any event the bank that created the original sar would still have a record and I'm sure if he was watching it there was a back up which contained all the original files.

    The person that did this needs to be questioned, it should not have been his decision alone to make and he should be held accountable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Leakers typically leak because the normal avenues for information are blocked. For example, what if the leaker thought the supervisor was the one deleting information?
    Exactly, but doesn't the leaker want to make the justification known ASAP? Doesn't seem like the time to be coy. If you're going to spill beans, spill 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post

    I'm not sure how your computer works but when a file is gone, it's gone.
    That's probably not true, especially if the files were on a network with remote nightly server backups. There are also numerous ways of recovering deleted files, especially if they are important enough to get a good IT professional to work on the machine.
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    It's not whether the files exist "somewhere" it's the fact that they were removed from the master index by which they would be easily found. If they aren't in the index, they won't show up during a search for data, thus don't "exist".

    Think of it as pulling the reference to a book from the card catalog (author, subject, and title). The book is still on the shelf, but unless you know it's there, will be rather difficult to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    That's probably not true, especially if the files were on a network with remote nightly server backups. There are also numerous ways of recovering deleted files, especially if they are important enough to get a good IT professional to work on the machine.
    You pretty much have to physically destroy a hard drive to guarantee that the files can't be recovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikefrommontana View Post
    It's not whether the files exist "somewhere" it's the fact that they were removed from the master index by which they would be easily found. If they aren't in the index, they won't show up during a search for data, thus don't "exist".

    Think of it as pulling the reference to a book from the card catalog (author, subject, and title). The book is still on the shelf, but unless you know it's there, will be rather difficult to find.
    that is my understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikefrommontana View Post
    It's not whether the files exist "somewhere" it's the fact that they were removed from the master index by which they would be easily found. If they aren't in the index, they won't show up during a search for data, thus don't "exist".

    Think of it as pulling the reference to a book from the card catalog (author, subject, and title). The book is still on the shelf, but unless you know it's there, will be rather difficult to find.
    Yes that makes sense. It also suggests that, considering the location of the DB and the security considerations, the person who edited the master index would have to be somebody with a high level of access. On the other hand, I suppose it is possible that the two missing pages were never entered into the DB in the first place, which again suggests interference at a high level.

    It was suggested in the New Yorker article that some senior person may have imposed a high level of security clearance on those records, making them unavailable to the ordinary investigators. I'm not buying that, because if that was the case, I suspect the DB would show the existence of the records in the index, but flag a "You are not authorized to view this record" if anybody without the necessary clearance attempted to view it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    I suppose if he was watching it with baited breath
    then he might catch a nice wahoo in his teeth:

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    But somehow that seems unlikely...

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