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    Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for porn star Stormy Daniels, said Tuesday that President Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen, within three months after the 2016 presidential election, received about $500,000 from a Russian oligarch who since has been interviewed by special counsel Robert Mueller's team.

    Avenatti also suggested in a Twitter post that "these monies may have reimbursed the" $130,000 payment that Cohen made to Daniels right before that election.

    The money, Avenatti claimed, came from billionaire Russian businessman Viktor Vekselberg, who has ties to Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

    "Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen have a lot of explaining to do," Daniels' lawyer said in a tweet.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/08/dani...-oligarch.html
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    Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen have a lot of explaining to do.

    Never happen. reds will lie and cover for him even with bodies stacked on 5th Avenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix
    Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen have a lot of explaining to do.

    Never happen. reds will lie and cover for him even with bodies stacked on 5th Avenue.
    But the American justice system will pursue this to the end even as the deporables howl, wail, gnash their teeth, and pizz and moan.
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    . . . and there's the fire.
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    ... And then the murders started.
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    Sure, sure. That’s about the going price for a Presidential (clinton) speech. Way too cheap for any uranium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    sure, sure. That’s about the going price for a presidential (clinton) speech. Way too cheap for any uranium.
    Don't forget Hillary's emails. Hillary's emails.

    Anyways, what's $500k anymore? A guy can't even buy a house in Seattle for such a paltry sum. Cohen should've asked for so much more. Never undersell yourself.
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    Actually, this all seems a bit flakey to me. How does Avenatti know all this? If true, Avenatti has awesome investigatory powers.

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    It doesn't matter if it's true. Have we learned nothing?
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    Yeadon is right, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Sure, sure. That’s about the going price for a Presidential (clinton) speech. Way too cheap for any uranium.
    You need to get some new material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    You need to get some new material.
    if he says it enough, he might even believe it
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Sure, sure. That’s about the going price for a Presidential (clinton) speech. Way too cheap for any uranium.
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    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Sure, sure. That’s about the going price for a Presidential (clinton) speech. Way too cheap for any uranium.
    Clinton speeches were paid out in the open, not through shell corporations like what's happening with Cohen/Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    Actually, this all seems a bit flakey to me. How does Avenatti know all this? If true, Avenatti has awesome investigatory powers.
    I thought the same way until the NYT and NBC picked up the story and are running with it.
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    OK, we now know that the shell company really exists, really is Cohen's creature, and really got beaucoupbucks from a wide range of large corporations and Russian oligarchs. The companiers themselves confirmed payments and provided any number of remarkable explanations - like (paraphrase) 'we just paid to obtain greater understanding of the Trump administration.'

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    crude, vulgar liar with no qualifications for the job. Morons Are Governing America

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...al-work-2018-4

    “Michael is in business — he is really a businessman, a fairly big business, as I understand it," Trump said. "I don't know his business, but [the investigation] doesn't have to do with me."

    Cohen "also practices law," Trump said, but "I would say probably the big thing is his business, and they're looking something having to do with his business."

    Though Trump said Cohen's legal work for him was minimal, he said the lawyer "represents me on some things," mentioning "this crazy Stormy Daniels deal."

    Trump said he had been told he wasn't involved in the Cohen investigation.

    "From what I understand," he said, "they're looking at his businesses."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
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    I think I'll take the risk of quoting Goring at Nuremberg….
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Great podcast on the switch from loans to cash in 2006, and the evidence that it was due to a fire hose of Russian money:

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/podcasts/the-josh-marshall-podcast/ep-12-so-why-did-trump-become-the-king-of-cash


    The best part is the golfing reporter's story.
    Josh Marshall has been writing about this for a couple years. Even if Trump has plausible deniability about money laundering with a slew of indictments against associates itís clear that Trump Inc. benefitted from Russian oligarchs/proxies buying his properties and that whatever is good for Trump is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    ~50% of the electorate are morons
    nahhh. Maybe 15% are willfully ignorant morons. 10 % are true honest free range morons. All that’s needed for America to pick a moron president is a little majority apathy and a dedicated moron minority.

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    Another one - and this reads like something out the the Grant administration. AT&T paying $50K per month to a shell company setup by Micheal Cohen which did not much (except pay off Stormy Daniels)? Peanuts for AT&T, but still. And I can guarantee they weren't the only ones. Remember that Meuller's experience is in organized crime, following the money in criminal organizations, and he has ALL of Cohen's records. Gonna get interesting. (source)

    The Strange Case of AT&T's Payments to Michael Cohen
    Why did AT&T pay the same company used to funnel hush money to Stormy Daniels?
    Alexis C. Madrigal, May 8 2018

    Among the details in a document released by Stormy Daniels’s lawyer Michael Avenatti on Tuesday evening is the description of a series of $50,000 payments by AT&T to Essential Consultants, a shell company owned by Michael Cohen.

    And although Avenatti would not detail the source of the information in the dossier in an interview with my colleague Natasha Bertrand, AT&T confirmed that it contracted with the company in a statement, and The New York Times says it reviewed documents that support Avenatti’s claims. “Essential Consulting [sic] was one of several firms we engaged in early 2017 to provide insights into understanding the new administration,” AT&T said. “They did no legal or lobbying work for us, and the contract ended in December 2017.”

    Essential Consultants was incorporated in Delaware on October 17, 2016, 10 days after the Access Hollywood tape went public and a couple weeks before the election. It has no other known employees or directors. On October 27, Avenatti alleges, Essential Consultants wired $130,000 to a lawyer working for Stormy Daniels. On November 8, Donald Trump was elected President of the United States.

    Some months later, the AT&T contract with Essential Consultants began, although Avenatti’s litany of accusations only note four $50,000 payments, three in late 2017 and one in early 2018. This timeline raises a question of whether there could have been more payments, spanning the period from early 2017 to 2018.

    If AT&T paid a monthly fee of $50,000, Essential Consultants would have received more money in the year than AT&T’s highest paid lobbying firms, Mayer Brown and Akin Gump Strauss Hauer and Feld, which were paid $420,000 and $400,000 respectively. In 2017, AT&T paid 14 firms at least $200,000 to work Washington for the telecommunications giant. AT&T didn't immediately respond to a request about the total amount they paid Essential.

    Essential Consultants does not appear in the public disclosures that AT&T filed about who they paid for lobbying, and AT&T says Essential did no lobbying or legal work for the telecomm giant—but AT&T certainly had important issues before the government. Not only was net neutrality under reconsideration, but the company has a prospective merger with Time Warner before the Department of Justice’s antitrust division. Net neutrality was repealed in December 2017; the merger has had a rockier path.

    Among the more charitable interpretations of AT&T’s payments to Essential Consultants is that they were a pay-for-play scheme to get access to the newly elected president. Less charitable interpretations go well beyond the baseline level of corruption that Americans have come to expect from their government. People know that powerful interests pay for access to American politicians, but they likely do not expect the president's personal lawyer to commingle the money of corporations, adult-film actresses, and Russian oligarchs.

    Maybe there is an explanation for all this. Maybe none of it will actually turn out to be illegal, but that may be the most damning indictment of our system.
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    I fondly recall when Michael Cohen got a mortgage on his house to pay off Stormy Daniels.

    Those were innocent times.

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    Where did Avenatti get this information?

    The stuff seized from Cohen's office is still privileged until declared otherwise, right? Even after it's declared not-privileged, surely the US Attorney keeps it secret?
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    More on the same subject. Closer and closer. (Source)

    Russian Leverage Over Trump Is Not Just a Theory. It’s Now Fact.
    By Jonathan Chait

    In the waning weeks of 2016, when the intelligence community and many politicians were passing around terrifying reports about Donald Trump’s links to Russia like samizdat, the frightening possibility arose that the sanctity of the United States government might be compromised in a way no living American had experienced. This was just one of the unnerving things about the rise of Trump, and it was one that many well-informed observers doubted. Russia, after all, was poor and weak. To imagine that a country with an economy smaller than Canada’s or Italy’s could leverage a superpower ten times wealthier beggared the imagination. And yet that paranoid, absurd belief seems to be creeping closer to reality than seemed possible even in those dark postelection days.

    The New York Times has confirmed the explosive claims made by Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for Stormy Daniels, that Columbus Nova — a New York investment firm whose biggest client is a company controlled by Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg — deposited half a million dollars into a secret account set up by attorney Michael Cohen to pay off Trump’s sexual partners. The possible reasons for this arrangement run from brazenly corrupt to far worse. Columbus Nova said the hefty sum was a “consulting fee” paid to Cohen, hardly a benign explanation.

    Columbus Nova reportedly retained Cohen’s services after Andrew Intrater, the company’s American chief executive, met him while attending Trump’s inauguration with Vekselberg, who is his cousin. Like all Russian oligarchs, Vekselberg operates in cooperation with the Putin government. The payments gave Russia several sources of possible leverage over Cohen and Trump. First, the money itself could amount to some kind of bribe, in return for which a favor would be expected. Second, Russia had knowledge of the secret payoff, which it could always expose. Third, the possibility (at minimum) exists that Russia knew the account was being used to silence Trump’s mistresses, yet another source of kompromat.

    For all the speculation about the existence of the pee tape, the latest revelations prove what is tantamount to the same thing. Russia could leverage the president and his fixer — who, recall, hand-delivered a pro-Russian “peace plan” with Ukraine to Trump’s national-security adviser in January 2017 — by threatening to expose secrets they were desperate to keep hidden. Whether those secrets were limited to legally questionable payments, or included knowledge of sexual affairs, is a question of degree but not of kind.

    Perhaps even more alarming has been the response of the political system to this crisis. The House of Representatives has assigned Devin Nunes, the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, as its point man to defend Trump against the Mueller investigation. The Department of Justice has a long-standing policy of keeping Congress out of acting investigations, for the obvious reason that elected officials have a powerful incentive to interfere. Nunes has demanded the virtually unlimited right to get inside the Mueller probe. Officials in the Department of Justice have come to suspect his goal is to compromise the investigation by handing information from the prosecutors over to Trump.

    The Washington Post tonight reports another, and even more fanatical, step in Nunes’s crusade. Last week, Nunes demanded a piece of information that the FBI and other intelligence officials believed would “endanger a top-secret intelligence source.” They prevailed on Trump to support their request to withhold the information which, they argued, would “risk severe consequences including potential loss of human lives.”

    Nunes is not only demanding the secret be revealed to him, but threatening to vote to hold Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt. And officials who secured Trump’s support may have left out the fact that the source provided information to the Mueller investigation. As a result, “several administration officials said they fear Trump may reverse course and support Nunes’s argument.”

    Think for a moment what this report tells us. The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, who enjoys the full backing of his party’s leadership, is willing to risk what his own government describes as the betrayal and potential loss of life of an intelligence source. And officials within this government believe the president would do the same, all in order to obstruct an investigation into the president’s secretive ties to a foreign power. They are acting as though Trump is compromised by Russia, or at the very least, that he cannot be trusted to defend his own country’s security against it. The sordid Russia scandal has already brought some version of a very dark nightmare scenario to life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Sure, sure. That’s about the going price for a Presidential (clinton) speech. Way too cheap for any uranium.
    I have to wonder.. exactly what would it take for some of the hard right sycophants here in the bilge and out in the real world to admit that The Donald is really not all that great a president? I am not even going to ask about if he might be a traitor, I would just like to hear them admit he could be better.
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    Trump is doing beautifully.

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    The NY Times story. (Source)

    Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to Michael Cohen
    By Mike McIntire, Ben Protess, and Jim Rutenberg, May 8, 2018

    A shell company that Michael D. Cohen used to pay hush money to a pornographic film actress received payments totaling more than $1 million from an American company linked to a Russian oligarch and several corporations with business before the Trump administration, according to documents and interviews. Financial records reviewed by The New York Times show that Mr. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer and longtime fixer, used the shell company, Essential Consultants L.L.C., for an array of business activities that went far beyond what was publicly known. Transactions adding up to at least $4.4 million flowed through Essential Consultants starting shortly before Mr. Trump was elected president and continuing to this January, the records show.

    Among the previously unreported transactions were payments last year of about $500,000 from Columbus Nova, an investment firm in New York whose biggest client is a company controlled by Viktor Vekselberg, the Russian oligarch. A lawyer for Columbus Nova, in a statement on Tuesday, described the money as a consulting fee that had nothing to do with Mr. Vekselberg. Other transactions described in the financial records include hundreds of thousands of dollars Mr. Cohen received from Fortune 500 companies with business before the Trump administration, as well as smaller amounts he paid for luxury expenses like a Mercedes-Benz and private club dues.

    References to the transactions first appeared in a document posted to Twitter on Tuesday by Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for Stephanie Clifford, the adult film star who was paid $130,000 by Essential Consultants to keep quiet about an alleged affair with Mr. Trump. The lawyer’s seven-page document, titled “Preliminary Report of Findings,” does not explain the source of his information but describes in detail dates, dollar amounts and parties involved in various dealings by Mr. Cohen and his company. Most of the transactions involved two banks: First Republic Bank and City National Bank.

    The Times’s review of financial records confirmed much of what was in Mr. Avenatti’s report. In addition, a review of documents and interviews shed additional light on Mr. Cohen’s dealings with the company connected to Mr. Vekselberg, who was stopped and questioned at an airport earlier this year by investigators for Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel examining Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

    Taken together, The Times’s findings and Mr. Avenatti’s report offer the most detailed picture yet on Mr. Cohen’s business dealings and financial entanglements in the run-up to the election and its aftermath. Federal prosecutors in Manhattan are investigating Mr. Cohen for possible bank fraud and election-law violations, among other matters, according to people briefed on the investigation. Stephen Ryan, a lawyer representing Mr. Cohen, declined to comment.

    Ms. Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels, is suing Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump to break her nondisclosure agreement related to the $130,000.

    It is unclear whether that or any of the other transactions were improper, but Mr. Avenatti has asserted that Mr. Cohen’s use of Essential Consultants potentially violated banking laws. The financial records indicate that at least some of the money that passed through Essential Consultants was from sources and in amounts that were inconsistent with the company’s stated purpose.

    Mr. Cohen also used the company to collect $250,000 after arranging payments in 2017 and 2018 by a major Republican donor, Elliott Broidy, to a former Playboy model he allegedly impregnated, according to news reports last month. Among the other payments to Mr. Cohen’s company described in the financial records were four for $99,980 each between October and January by Novartis Investments S.A.R.L., a subsidiary of Novartis, the multinational pharmaceutical giant based in Switzerland. Novartis — whose chief executive was among 15 business leaders invited to dinner with Mr. Trump at the World Economic Forum in January — spent more than $10 million on lobbying in Washington last year and frequently seeks approvals from federal drug regulators. Novartis said in a statement that its agreement with Essential Consultants had expired.

    In addition, Korea Aerospace Industries paid Mr. Cohen’s company $150,000 last November, according to the records. The company, an aircraft manufacturer, has teamed with the American defense contractor Lockheed Martin in competing for a multibillion-dollar contract to provide trainer jets for the United States Air Force that is expected to be awarded this year. A representative for Korea Aerospace declined to comment.

    AT&T made four payments totaling $200,000 between October 2017 and January 2018, according to the documents. AT&T, whose proposed merger with Time Warner is pending before the Justice Department, issued a statement on Tuesday evening confirming that it made payments to Mr. Cohen’s firm. “Essential Consulting was one of several firms we engaged in early 2017 to provide insights into understanding the new administration,” the statement said. “They did no legal or lobbying work for us, and the contract ended in December 2017.”

    The payments by Columbus Nova occurred between January and August of last year. Andrew Intrater, the company’s American chief executive and Mr. Vekselberg’s cousin, donated $250,000 to Mr. Trump’s inauguration, campaign finance records show. He and Mr. Vekselberg attended the event together and met with Mr. Cohen there, according to a person briefed on the matter. Columbus Nova retained him as a consultant soon afterward.

    The consulting deal was worth $1 million and was supposed to last for a year, according to documents reviewed by The Times. But Columbus Nova decided to end the agreement midway through after it yielded a few investment ideas but no actual deals. A person close to Mr. Intrater said that the executive had no idea Essential Consultants was used for the separate payment to Ms. Clifford, and that he hired a number of other consultants at the time for similar prices.

    “Columbus Nova is an investment management company solely owned and controlled by Americans,” said Richard Owens, a lawyer for Mr. Intrater and Columbus Nova, adding that Mr. Vekselberg has never owned the firm. “After the inauguration, the firm hired Michael Cohen as a business consultant regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures. Reports today that Viktor Vekselberg used Columbus Nova as a conduit for payments to Michael Cohen are false. The claim that Viktor Vekselberg was involved in or provided any funding for Columbus Nova’s engagement of Michael Cohen is patently untrue,” Mr. Owens said. “Neither Viktor Vekselberg nor anyone else outside of Columbus Nova was involved in the decision to hire Cohen or provided funding for his engagement.”

    A lawyer for Mr. Vekselberg did not respond to a request for comment.

    In addition to questioning Mr. Vekselberg, Mr. Mueller’s investigators have also interviewed Mr. Intrater, though there is no indication that either man is suspected of wrongdoing, The Times reported last week. The person close to Mr. Intrater said that he was encouraged to attend the inauguration by an American friend, unrelated to Mr. Cohen, and that he had wanted to use the trip as an opportunity to meet with business associates in Washington.

    Mr. Vekselberg has invested in Columbus Nova’s private equity funds through his sprawling Russian-based conglomerate, the Renova Group, which operates in the energy sector and elsewhere. Mr. Vekselberg was one of seven Kremlin-linked oligarchs hit with sanctions in April by the Trump administration, which also imposed the penalties on the Renova Group. Renova has had a financial relationship with VTB, one of the largest state-owned banks in Russia, according to documents that were part of the “Panama Papers” leak of files from an offshore law firm. The documents show that Mr. Vekselberg’s companies received at least $350 million in loans or investments from VTB and a subsidiary, VTB Capital. The current state of the debt is unclear, though one document suggests it was discharged in 2010.

    Mr. Cohen created Essential Consultants in Delaware less than two weeks before he completed his deal with Ms. Clifford, who is now contesting her contract with Mr. Cohen as invalid. Mr. Cohen initially said he paid her out of his own pocket by way of a home equity line of credit. But last week, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York said that Mr. Trump had reimbursed Mr. Cohen through several $35,000 monthly transactions that amounted to more than $400,000 — covering the payment to Ms. Clifford and, he said, other “incidental expenses.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    Actually, this all seems a bit flakey to me. How does Avenatti know all this? If true, Avenatti has awesome investigatory powers.
    I was with you on this ....... now not so much. It's starting to seem like this is growing some serious teeth.
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    Trump is doing beautifully.
    Your conversion to irony is going seamlessly.

    We will be unable to pinpoint the moments you went from Trump cheerleader to indifference to revision of your own history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    It's starting to seem like this is growing some serious teeth.
    And remember, Mueller has ALL Cohen's records. Everything, down to his colonoscopy results.
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    Originally Posted by Ian McColgin
    Actually, this all seems a bit flakey to me. How does Avenatti know all this? If true, Avenatti has awesome investigatory powers.



    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    I was with you on this ....... now not so much. It's starting to seem like this is growing some serious teeth.
    I'm thinking that discovery in the case filed by Avenatti on behalf of Stormy Daniels/Stephanie Clifford, has given Avenatti a window into the accounts held by Cohen from which the $130,000 was paid.
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    My first reaction was indeed that this seemed flakey. But then the corporations involved began volunteering how much money they'd handed over. So at #16 I changed my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    My first reaction was indeed that this seemed flakey. But then the corporations involved began volunteering how much money they'd handed over. So at #16 I changed my mind.
    That's fine but how did Avenatti get this information? I think you questioning this is accurate and still not answered.

    Is this a leak through Mueller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    That's fine but how did Avenatti get this information? I think you questioning this is accurate and still not answered.

    Is this a leak through Mueller?
    Pay attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    I'm thinking that discovery in the case filed by Avenatti on behalf of Stormy Daniels/Stephanie Clifford, has given Avenatti a window into the accounts held by Cohen from which the $130,000 was paid.
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