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    but Europe doesn't, and neither does Iran? Oh I reckon they will eventually but but the opportunity to leave the US out on it's own save Israel might be just too tempting to resist in the short term, and then who knows where that could go.

    " Jake Sullivan, former Deputy Assistant to Barack Obama and a senior advisor during the negotiations, said: “What will be immediately obvious after May 12th is that President Trump is throwing the United States and the Iran deal into a new nuclear crisis, essentially to cater to his political base, and neither the president nor his administration appear to have any strategy or plan for what comes next.”"

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    Obama did it so it must be wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    What happens is the US becomes what Donald Trump is. An untrustworthy partner.

    from the article:
    Alexandra Bell, a senior policy director at the Washington-based Centre for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, told The Independent that if the US reimposed sanctions it would be in violation of the deal it signed three years earlier.

    “We lose our credibility as someone who can he trusted,” she said of such a scenario. “Why would North Korea sign any sort of deal after that?”

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    Well why wouldn't they knowing that it's hardly a document of great weight. As long as it gives Donald and Kimmy a short term boost, who cares?

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    What does the US stand to gain by withdrawing? Surely, we can re-impose sanctions, but what about all the other signitors? We can’t unilaterally force them to comply, so they continue to trade with Iran. In that instance, how have we damaged Iran? It would seem we have only hurt those US companies now trading there.

    Am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moTthediesel View Post
    What does the US stand to gain by withdrawing? Surely, we can re-impose sanctions, but what about all the other signitors? We can’t unilaterally force them to comply, so they continue to trade with Iran. In that instance, how have we damaged Iran? It would seem we have only hurt those US companies now trading there.

    Am I missing something?
    No, you're not missing anything. The action is intended to toss a bit of red meat to Trump's base... while, of course, damaging the interests of the United States... but he really doesn't care about that. It's what happens when you put an incompetent populist in the White House.
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







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    The reds are gonna love the skyrocketing gas prices (snark)
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    The long term consequences will be the next time nations get together to discuss/solve some global problem, the USA will not be invited.

    Trump has shown the world that our word is only good until the next election. We cannot be trusted.

    The consequences of that are apt to be quite bad. No way they can be good.
    How do we form a mutiny? Our new captain is navigating poorly.

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    We’re just helping China develop stronger trade with Iran and letting the MIC distort foreign policy for arms sales to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

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    The renewed sanctions will pressure Iran to renegotiate, or deal with protesters and unrest. If the protests recur, they’ll likely garner US support, this time. Pressure at home should limit their interference in the rest of the region, saving untold lives. Kim, and others, will be on notice that to enter into agreement with the US; do so legally, and honestly.
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    Or the renewed sanctions will destabilize the government and allow the creation of a reactionary theocratic state that will get into a war with (Israel, Saudi Arabia, the US?). Oil prices will sky rocket and stay there. It will be the Arab Oil Embargo all over again. Nobody wins, but somebody MIGHT pick up some votes back home.

    Gads, the idiocy burns.......

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    To suggest that Trump is just appeasing his base is a bit misleading. He made this an issue and helped to convince his base that Obama made a bad deal. It was pure self-promotion at the expense of the country.

    In the process, Trump demagogues every Iranian living in this country when the vast majority of them love America. It is their government that has been a problem, but even they have lived by the treaty.

    This is nothing more than telling lies to make himself more important.

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    The reality is that not much happens.
    Life is complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    The reality is that not much happens.
    The prediction is that gas prices at the pump will go up significantly. I would say it affects 350 million Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    The renewed sanctions will pressure Iran to renegotiate, or deal with protesters and unrest. If the protests recur, they’ll likely garner US support, this time. Pressure at home should limit their interference in the rest of the region, saving untold lives. Kim, and others, will be on notice that to enter into agreement with the US; do so legally, and honestly.
    Wrong. We already “regime changed” Iran in the 50’s. The consequences weren’t good. Iran’s “interference” in the region is also it’s own relationship to develop with other countries, not ours. Trump reneging on prior agreements simply shows the US gov’t to be untrustworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    The reality is that not much happens.
    apathy suits you

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    The prediction is that gas prices at the pump will go up significantly. I would say it affects 350 million Americans.
    $.02 the potential for price volatility is more likely from internal conflicts and supply/demand than it is from conflicts between countries.

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    W Europe may just tone down relations with the USA. The UK may decline hosting US Navy Sub Bases. Germany may enlarge its armed forces (what's Trump gon'na do? Sue'em?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    $.02 the potential for price volatility is more likely from internal conflicts and supply/demand than it is from conflicts between countries.
    Alot of folks are predicting $3.00 a gallon by this summer.
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    All three may decline invitations to attend Trump's big parade.

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    It looks like he just did so we'll find out soon.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.eb3a607b0f81

    Gas is almost $3/gallon in Florida already.
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    Just about every Iranian family has members who were victims of US trained and equipped torturers.

    Which is the rogue state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmarsh3 View Post
    It looks like he just did so we'll find out soon.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.eb3a607b0f81

    Gas is almost $3/gallon in Florida already.
    $2.54 here.
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    Under U.S. law, the JCPOA is a non-binding political commitment.[277][278] According to the U.S. State Department, it specifically is not an executive agreement or a treaty.[272] There are widespread incorrect reports that it is an executive agreement.[279][280] In contrast to treaties, which require two-thirds of the Senate to consent to ratification, political commitments require no congressional approval, and are not legally binding.[279][f].


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    No one is saying Trump can't do this. We are just saying it was a stupid thing to do.

    The Joint Cooperation Plan of Action (JCPOA) was signed between Iran, the United States, United Kingdom, France, Russia, China, and Germany and subjected Iran to regular, rigorous inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency.
    Now we have NO inspections and Iran is saying they are going to start working on nuclear weapons again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    No one is saying Trump can't do this. We are just saying it was a stupid thing to do.



    Now we have NO inspections and Iran is saying they are going to start working on nuclear weapons again.
    They also said they never had a nuclear weapons program, and didn’t want one. They still have the ability to allow inspectors anytime they like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    Alot of folks are predicting $3.00 a gallon by this summer.
    People may be clamoring for small vehicles again by the time this is done.
    "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
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    Doing Bibis work.....funny how they run US policy, how does it feel to be a vassal state of Israel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    Alot of folks are predicting $3.00 a gallon by this summer.
    yep. It’s up to $70 now. Inventories are down, Saudi Arabia needs higher prices, Venezuela is a mess, US fracking is a debt driven phenomena, China’s domestic consumption will keep rising to fill all those new car owners.





    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...Go-Higher.html

    The oil market is already in a bit of a supply/demand deficit. According to the IEA, oil inventories fell by 26 million barrels in February, a larger-than-expected decline. That put total stocks just 30 million barrels above the five-year average, which means that we are close to arriving at OPEC’s long-sought goal of achieving “balance” in the market.
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    There are a series of potential disasters facing Venezuela that could accelerate declines. A full-blown debt default, U.S. sanctions, and asset seizures from creditors are three dire scenarios, that at this point, actually look pretty likely.

    U.S. Vice President Mike Pence unveiled new sanctions on Venezuela on Monday, ahead of the May 20 presidential election. Most analysts expect the Trump administration to hold off on the more draconian measures until after the sham vote in two weeks.
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    This week is shaping up to be a pivotal one for the oil market, with the potential for renewed sanctions on Iran. Meanwhile, Venezuela’s oil production was already declining and fragile, but a darker reality is beginning to unfold. These events, occurring against a backdrop of a tighter oil market, point to higher prices over the next few weeks.

    By Nick Cunningham of Oilprice.com
    Last edited by LeeG; 05-08-2018 at 02:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    ... Which is the rogue state?
    The less powerful one.
    There is no rational, logical, or physical description of how free will could exist. It therefore makes no sense to praise or condemn anyone on the grounds they are a free willed self that made one choice but could have chosen something else. There is no evidence that such a situation is possible in our Universe. Demonstrate otherwise and I will be thrilled.

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    Well I guess that just torpedoed any shred of credibility Trump may have had, when it comes to negotiating "in good faith" with North Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    Well I guess that just torpedoed any shred of credibility Trump may have had, when it comes to negotiating "in good faith" with North Korea.

    Pete
    Surely that was the goal. I mean, who do anything that stupid without seeing the consequences.
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    Anyone who knows anything about Trump's business career already knows that he is a man with no integrity, a man who cannot keep a deal, a man who can only be trusted to betray anyone at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    People may be clamoring for small vehicles again by the time this is done.
    But no increase in federal fuel taxes since 1993. Let the grandkids pay a portion of todays transportation budget as shortfall in Highway Trust Fund runs about $12 billion a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikefrommontana View Post
    ...Oil prices will sky rocket and stay there.... Nobody wins,....
    Somebody almost always wins, depending on your definition. Other oil producers, for example. Bitumen producers in Alberta would be doing cartwheels of joy. Alternative energy would also win. I might be buying that electric car soon than I imagined.
    There is no rational, logical, or physical description of how free will could exist. It therefore makes no sense to praise or condemn anyone on the grounds they are a free willed self that made one choice but could have chosen something else. There is no evidence that such a situation is possible in our Universe. Demonstrate otherwise and I will be thrilled.

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