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    Default Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    Reviewed in WB's Professional Boatbuilder latest magazine issue here: http://digital.proboat.com/?issueID=35&pageID=51

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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    Links just took me to the magazine. Did you mean this?


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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    That's it.
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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    Does the escape hatch in the transom inspire confidence?

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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    Its in the competition rules that its required if rolled and your inside the cabin.
    Crikey, easier to swim out the the companionway I reckon, but rules are rules

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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Bowdidge View Post
    Its in the competition rules that its required if rolled and your inside the cabin.
    Crikey, easier to swim out the the companionway I reckon, but rules are rules
    OK, if in extremes, the claustrephobic crawl under the cockpit would be a way out. But like Mark, I would take my chances out the companionway.

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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    interesting no boom... wondering what the top sections of the sail look like...


    not exactly the most hospitable looking foredeck for sail handling at sea!

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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    Looks to me like if the boat were capsized and stabile upside down, opening the main hatch would let you out and sink the boat. But it looks possible that the transom hatch would remain above water giving a way out without sinking the boat.

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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    interesting... I'm not convinced there's enough bouyancy in the ends of those side benches to lift the transom hatch clear... ? it would be cool to see a video of the hatch operation in action... even on a calm pond or lake.

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    I agree with the skepticism. It's just too tempting to use some of that volume abaft the cabin for storage and it looks like it would need to be dead empty. I suppose as one crawls back one could move stuff forward, rather line an earthworm . . .

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    Default Re: Skate 15, kit 'sport' sailboat

    ugg a nightmare scenario... though I suppose it beats being stuck in a boat without an escape hatch!

    looks like a fun fast and pricey boat... is it really only 15'?

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    Hmmmm. The size and general concept is nice, but some of the details appear to be a little bit like throwing Formula One kit like wings, head leashes and fat tires onto a small campervan in the hope that they will make it go fast. The boomless rig and assy appear to be possibly problematic. The hull weight is similar to that of the Flying 15, which has a longer waterline length and could well be lighter in racing trim. The FF's rig is 25% smaller, but even in ideal conditions the FF never gets close to sailing angles high enough for an assy, much less a boomless main. One suspects there's going to be a lot of time reaching back and forth getting frustrated with the inability to sail low and close to course.

    Similarly, the Micro Cuppers and Elliott 5.9s (which are pretty comparable boats) don't sail high angles downwind, so they need booms. One also has to wonder what one could gain by leaving the boom off - after all, if you DO sail high angles downwind then you often only need an incredibly light and cheap boom, so they give superior sail shape at minimal cost. The Formula 18, Formula 16 and A Class cat guys use booms for a reason, even when they have wide travellers. Why not learn from them?

    The wingmast is very well proven - proven not to work on most small monos, that is. People have been trying them for decades, in Int Canoes, 18 Foot Skiffs, R Class, 12 Ft Skiffs, Merlins, Moths, yada yada yada. They've failed every time. They do work in some situations but those are pretty specific ones that are very different to this boat. Why not learn from those who have used them?

    And the Hobie 14 mast they are using is nothing like a true wing; it's 3.1 in wide and only 4.6 in long. What the Hobie mast does have is telegraph-pole rigidity that could make for terrible gust response, especially since the lack of a boom and vang means that loads on the mainsheet and traveller will be extremely high and therefore easy and swift adjustment will be problematic.

    And rotating becomes problematic anyway if one is trying to keep the jib tight - not such an issue on a cat where rig tension is intrinsically low and jibs are flat, but a significant issue on a mono. Performance cats also adjust the amount of rotation and it's a critical tool in handling different wind strengths; this boat seems to lack rotation control so how does one flatten the sail in strong winds? (EDIT - I got that wrong, there is a rotation spanner)

    The idea of a simple little boat is a great one. We've got a bunch of 18 foot trailerables of that concept nearby, and the Micro Cuppers of Europe are still doing well. It's just odd that they appear to have ignored the decades of proven development in the restricted-rig development classes and the Micros, in favour of ideas from boats of entirely different types. The Skiff, A Class, F18, NS14, Micro, MR and sportsboat guys aren't idiots, so why not learn from them?
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    Well I like it.

    The boat is build able in anyone's garage. Probably kit able if small craft advisor are getting involved. Planing boats need fewer planks so are often an easier build. Spacious self draining cockpit, looks quite ergonomic and comfortable. No bulb under the boat, just centerboards so it will sit easy on a beach or mud. Twin centerboards will enhance heeled performance upwind. Good grip with twin rudders. It'll be fast in light air anything from a reach. Upwind you can see the wetted area reduction if you just heal it. The fully battened main will work well enough. Clew boards will control foot tension to wind speeds, which with the mainsheet traveller car should enable leach tension to be adjusted. I like that its shroudless, that would make the rig easier to live with off the boat. Probably the reason for the absence of the boom too: quick set up time.

    If people used these for dinghy cruising, they would be alot safer, have more fun and more able than the usual rotton old mirror!

    Anybody know how much water ballast? Interested to see a predicted AVS stability graph if it's got one too for intrest.
    Last edited by Edward Pearson; 05-08-2018 at 04:48 AM.

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