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    Default I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    I want to build a small boat up to 15ft. Sail boat- wood.
    I have boat building skills. I would like suggestions.
    No scamps please.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    To use where and by how many? My Michalak family skiff still gets an occasional outing, secure boat with lots of bouyancy, comfortable seating and reasonable performance. That would come in well under budget.

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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    Soon, very soon, you'll have someone coming by to say:

    What do you want to use your boat for?
    Where will you sail it? How? (Multi-day cruising, daysailing, racing, etc)
    What kind of conditions will you be facing, usually? Waves? Wind?
    How many people will be in it, usually? How many max?
    How much gear, how much weight?
    Do you want an outboard, or oars, or something else, for auxilliary propulsion?

    But before that happens (oops, too late!), I'll say that one of the best boats I know of in that length (but really, length alone is not a good way to measure a boat's size or capacity), is Ross Lillistone's Phoenix III design. I've done lots of cruising in my brother's Phoenix III (Great Lakes, Texas 200, Everglades Challenge, etc) and find it to be an incredibly satisfying, capable cruiser (or daysailer, but I like cruising best). It also rows very well, especially with just one aboard (still good with two).

    It looks like this:

    DSCN3256.jpg

    or, sailing, like this:

    DSCN3137.jpg

    Or like this under oars:

    DSCN3125.jpg

    You can see it in action on some of these threads:

    A Phoenix III in Georgian Bay

    A Phoenix III on Lake Nipigon

    A Phoenix III in the North Channel

    Great boat. I think my brother built his for less than $2,000 including the sail.

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    I've said this before here, but my Oughtred WT cost me way less than that. OK it was 10 yrs ago, but still... Dépends a bit on what woodworking kit you have, as I just bought a couple of large rough planks for the hardwood, three 10x5 sheets of 6mm Occume ply and some light pine for the spars, then machined every thing from them. Fittings came out of some 20x3 ss strip and some scraps of ss sheet, stick welded. Sails were DIY. Epoxy was a bit,prob around 20lbs. but less than a filleted design. Rigging I swaged with a home made press, but a lug rig would all round cheaper than my gunter sloop.
    Probably less than half of your target. Even rounded up for inflation, still around half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    I want to build a small boat up to 15ft. Sail boat- wood.
    I have boat building skills. I would like suggestions.
    No scamps please.
    Love such open questions, I can say what I would do an you can discount it
    If it was just for me I would be torn between Michael Storer new Viola 14 sailing canoe

    and the Echo Bay Dory Skiff

    If I wanted to be a bit more social then the Goat Island Skiff

    But it all depends on if you want a boat to get out and sail or If you want to get your joy from building
    If that is the case Vivier’s Iler would be high on the list

    Ask me tomorrow and it will be a whole set of different boats. When you cut the first piece of ply you will be convinced it is something else all together

    Oh and you can’t have or just build one boat and a small canoe will get the most use, and give you the most enjoyment.


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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    Don,
    I believe in a small sailboat you should try to get as much room in the boat as possible and still have a boat that sails well. My suggestion is to build something like Joel White's Marsh Cat. A very shallow draft and able sailer.

    Digital study plans are ,99c. https://www.woodenboatstore.com/prod...Y_PLAN_DIGITAL
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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    /\

    Without casting any aspersions on the Marsh Cat, it does seem extremely odd that our host's site calls this 1300lb 15 footer a "lightweight". That's 1.5 to 2.5 as much as some popular 16 foot cabin boats, nigh on twice the weight of the longer Rebel or the 20ft Flying 15 (which is a keelboat) and about three times as much as the longer and very well proven Wayfarer cruising dinghy.

    Where does all the weight go?

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    Donald, WI-Tom's "Q's" are a great starting point

    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    ...

    What do you want to use your boat for?
    Where will you sail it? How? (Multi-day cruising, daysailing, racing, etc)
    What kind of conditions will you be facing, usually? Waves? Wind?
    How many people will be in it, usually? How many max?
    How much gear, how much weight?
    Do you want an outboard, or oars, or something else, for auxilliary propulsion?

    ...

    Tom
    once you can give us more direction there may be more viable answers offered

    while you are pondering WI-Tom's "Q's" goto the Texas 200 website and peruse the pics n accounts therein

    http://www.texas200.com/index.html

    the information i am suggesting can be found under the Shiner Beer ad on the right hand side of the home page

    don't forget to read WI-Tom's accounts of his adventures for more ideas & ponderments for your quest

    most of the boats that end up finishing the Texas 200 can usually be depended on for safe enjoyable recreation and adventure cruising

    pick a style/shape that appeals to you and share the pics with this audience

    i'm bettin there will be more replies when the forumites have a better idea of what is on/in your mind ;-)

    GOOD LUCK W/ YOUR QUEST

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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    the "Goat island skiff" seems like the ticket IMO. I have also been looking at smaller boats of this size and I keep coming back to the GIS. I suggest you go browse the Duckworks/Wooden boat/Atkin plan catalogues to help you narrow things down - because there are dozens of plans for sub-16' open sailboats

    heres a few others that have caught my eye.

    http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/Jasper.html 14'2"
    http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/PM.html 15'6"
    http://www.duckworksbbs.com/product-p/dix-argie15.htm 15'5"
    http://www.duckworksbbs.com/product-p/jw-awol.htm 16'5
    http://www.duckworksbbs.com/product-...pelican-id.htm 14'7"

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    That's a tight budget. The GIS came to my mind first, too.

    If you include the cost of the trailer and have sails made professionally, close to a third of the budget is already spent. But of course, it's doable.
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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    /\

    Without casting any aspersions on the Marsh Cat, it does seem extremely odd that our host's site calls this 1300lb 15 footer a "lightweight". That's 1.5 to 2.5 as much as some popular 16 foot cabin boats, nigh on twice the weight of the longer Rebel or the 20ft Flying 15 (which is a keelboat) and about three times as much as the longer and very well proven Wayfarer cruising dinghy.

    Where does all the weight go?
    Fair question, 6 adults, gear and fare for all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    Without casting any aspersions on the Marsh Cat, it does seem extremely odd that our host's site calls this 1300lb 15 footer a "lightweight". That's 1.5 to 2.5 as much as some popular 16 foot cabin boats, nigh on twice the weight of the longer Rebel or the 20ft Flying 15 (which is a keelboat) and about three times as much as the longer and very well proven Wayfarer cruising dinghy.
    That's 1300 lbs displacement, not hull weight. Nearly 7' beam, so lots of volume and carrying capacity, but not necessarily a super heavy boat. It's a BIG 15-footer, though.

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    I had about $6k into my Coquina minus the trailer. Professional sails, Reineck Hardware.
    The boat you describe should be easily doable for this kind of $$.
    Fight Entropy, build a wooden boat!

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    Donald, I know you said you want to build and a boat of 15 feet. I don’t know if that restriction is a build limit or use limit. But I want to post this anyway. I hope you don’t find it too off-base. But is under your budget, built, a good boat, and it has a tent already. I think the price is high.

    I do agree that the GIS would be a good build.

    https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/b...559228787.html

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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    You can't get much more versatility than the Drascombe Longboat, except maybe the Lugger (insert owner bias here). Under 15 we built a Penobscot 14 and we came in well under 5K, made our own sail from a Sailrite kit and the oars were donated. It's a great rowboat with plenty of room for 2, carries up to 4 and is a spirited sailer. Great support for Arch Davis, the designer.

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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    you could build anything in John Gardner's Dory Book for less than that figure... including an Alpha Dory.


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    Thanks for all of the suggestions.
    I do want to build the boat.
    If I had a lot of cash I could just buy a boat.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    If I had a lot of cash I could just buy a boat.
    In most cases, buying is cheaper than building. If you value your time spent at all, it's not even a question.

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    Dave Gentry's skin on frame Annabelle? So light you might not even need a trailer, if you have a suitable vehicle for car-topping.
    I have a shortlist that has this at the quick to build/light/cheap/simple/pretty end of the scale - and SCAMP at the other. There are any number of designs like John Welsford's Houdini or the GIS, that would sit between these in terms of cost and capability.
    Answer the "how do I (really) want to use this boat" question honestly, and what constraints (budget, storage, small lake vs exposed coastal waters etc) - that will help define a whole lot of requirements. Wrestling with this myself ;-)

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    I have a suggestion. Buy the boat you can live on. And, build a sweet little row/sailer to play on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friends with SCAMPs View Post
    I have a suggestion. Buy the boat you can live on. And, build a sweet little row/sailer to play on.
    Got it. Buy a boat instead of working to build.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    Don, for some reason, you aren't accepting PMs on the forum. I may have "the droid you're looking for." PM me with another way to communicate with you. Note to all: this is not an offer for sale.

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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    The the dory pictured is probably 18' or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Got it. Buy a boat instead of working to build.
    There is the time to completion factor that should be considered if you are planning to use the boat in a specific time frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    The the dory pictured is probably 18' or more.
    21 feet.

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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    this boat does not cost $7,500.oo...


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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    DSC_0195.jpgDSC_0210.jpg. Think about this boat. You can certainly build her for less then 7500. See also www.oarandsail.nl

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Soon, very soon, you'll have someone coming by to say:

    What do you want to use your boat for?
    Where will you sail it? How? (Multi-day cruising, daysailing, racing, etc)
    What kind of conditions will you be facing, usually? Waves? Wind?
    How many people will be in it, usually? How many max?
    How much gear, how much weight?
    Do you want an outboard, or oars, or something else, for auxilliary propulsion?

    But before that happens (oops, too late!), I'll say that one of the best boats I know of in that length (but really, length alone is not a good way to measure a boat's size or capacity), is Ross Lillistone's Phoenix III design. I've done lots of cruising in my brother's Phoenix III (Great Lakes, Texas 200, Everglades Challenge, etc) and find it to be an incredibly satisfying, capable cruiser (or daysailer, but I like cruising best). It also rows very well, especially with just one aboard (still good with two).

    It looks like this:



    or, sailing, like this:



    Or like this under oars:




    Great boat. I think my brother built his for less than $2,000 including the sail.

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    Thanks for showing me your boat. Looks good but it looks like a wet boat.
    Nice sailing video too!
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    I have been considering the SCAMP.
    I have considered the WEEKENDER/
    Now I am looking at Glen L's Minuet.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Thanks for showing me your boat. Looks good but it looks like a wet boat.
    Nice sailing video too!
    It's my brother's boat, actually pretty dry for its type, with very little spray coming aboard. You do get wet if it rains. That's never bothered me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    I have been considering the SCAMP.
    I have considered the WEEKENDER/
    Now I am looking at Glen L's Minuet.

    I'd be surprised if you could complete a Minuet, with sails, rigging, motor and trailer, for less than $7,500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoritzSchwarzer View Post
    In most cases, buying is cheaper than building. If you value your time spent at all, it's not even a question.
    I have heard this before and my thought is that if you build it, that your time IS being well spent.
    I know it is true because wealthy people seem to admire the work I did as being very rewarding.
    I also think that people that make money easily and buy nice things is also valuable.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woxbox View Post
    I'd be surprised if you could complete a Minuet, with sails, rigging, motor and trailer, for less than $7,500.

    You may be right about that.
    I was wondering if that clipper bow and forefoot of the WEEKENDER could be trimmed off and make a better sailing boat.
    I would still keep a bowsprit.
    The WEEKENDER is not just a flat bottomed boat. It is a flat bottomed boat with no rocker and a flat run.
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    I have the feeling that with a few mods, like building a box keel which could hold water ballast and a smaller self bailing cockpit the weekender could be a very capable and fun little craft.


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    Default Re: I want to build a boat that does not cost $7,500

    the weekender is like 20' ! - their 14' pocket cruiser seems more along the lines of what you were asking about.

    so its safe to say your looking for a "pocket cruiser" ? ply over frame or stich and tape? your previous posts kinda led me (and others) to believe you were looking for a smaller open boat - but it sounds like your looking for something a bit more involved than that. 15-20' loa, small cabin with sleeping arrangements?

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