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    I am rebuilding my Mirror 11 dinghy. It is all in pieces and I am going to have to use some of the old sections as a template and cut new sections. However, the two aft bottom panels were in very bad condition and just fell apart, which means I have no template to use to cut new pieces, or panels. Is there anywhere I can find the exact measurements of these panels, apart from trying to find another Mirror locally and measuring it? Thanks, all.

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    Welcome to the forum.
    There are several Mirror rebuild threads on here. Maybe someone can make a paper template from their boat and mail it to you.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    This is the unfortunate side effect of Mirrors being built only from kits and no actual hull drawings being included with the kit.Worse still,Bell Woodworking went out of business several years ago and can't be asked for advice.Nick's suggestion of ploughing through the older threads here is a good one.One other approach might be to contact the class association to see if they have any useful suggestions.Maybe the CVRDA too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Meachen View Post
    This is the unfortunate side effect of Mirrors being built only from kits and no actual hull drawings being included with the kit.
    But plans were available, schools in particular built many Mirror dinghies, I helped with a few for my school, all from plans.
    Building my own one (22343) from a kit was bliss after cutting a few out, with hand tools (builds character apparently)

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    You might check with these guys: http://www.mirror.org.za/ And possibly post something here: http://forum.mirrordiscussforum.org/...stination=node I'll watch and see if you come up with something. If all else fails, I'll roll mine over and pull a pattern off for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh MacD View Post
    You might check with these guys: http://www.mirror.org.za/ And possibly post something here: http://forum.mirrordiscussforum.org/...stination=node I'll watch and see if you come up with something. If all else fails, I'll roll mine over and pull a pattern off for you.
    Would you do that? If it were simply rectangular with straight edges, I'd simply need the width and length. However, if you could tell me the width (in millimetres?) of each end and then perhaps exactly halfway along its length, and at the quarter-mark, if you get me, so that I can etch the parabola effect on the outer edge. That would be a great help !

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    Thanks for your reply, Peerie. I see you're from Cumbria. You may be interested to read that I spent a happy eight months working on a farm at Coniston, where I bought and sailed my first Mirror dinghy, back in the late 80s.

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    Hello, John. As I said to Peerie, I worked on a farm at Coniston in the Lake District in the late 80s. I also spent some time on the Norfolk Broads, where I had some good friends who lived near Acle. (We're still in touch). I took my Mirror down from Coniston to the Broads and kept her there. Had a happy sail one day up to Potter Heigham. A sailing club took the boat over when I returned to South Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell B View Post
    Thanks for your reply, Peerie. I see you're from Cumbria. You may be interested to read that I spent a happy eight months working on a farm at Coniston, where I bought and sailed my first Mirror dinghy, back in the late 80s.
    Coniston is nice, and good sailing water.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell B View Post
    Would you do that? If it were simply rectangular with straight edges, I'd simply need the width and length. However, if you could tell me the width (in millimetres?) of each end and then perhaps exactly halfway along its length, and at the quarter-mark, if you get me, so that I can etch the parabola effect on the outer edge. That would be a great help !
    You cannot rely on any of the edges being straight nor the corners square. A paper template will be easier to make on the boat and easier to use on the ply.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I had thought of going round to our local sailing club and sourcing one, myself. However, there's so much information on the Internet, I wondered whether that was the route to take. Failing everything, I would put all the sections together that I have and work out ("fill") the remaining space with my own aft bottom panels, hopefully entirely accurate.

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    Hi Russell,
    That would probably be more accurate in the long run. Even if I pull a pattern off LookingGlass she may be off from yours by several mms, depending on how the corners were pulled during the "stitch & tape" build. Let me know if you're really desperate, though. Do you have all the corners and edges on yours? If so, you'er golden. Pictures always help We're definitely a photo-hungry lot

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    I just googled mirror dinghy plans and found this, it is a member (pay) only site http://www.myboatplans.com/searchresults.php

    Neil.

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    Russell

    Try contacting Trident Marine in Gateshead, they supply Mirror parts and may be able to give the correct dimensions.
    https://www.tridentuk.com/gb/boats-a....html?limit=48
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    Quote Originally Posted by hornet 6 View Post
    But plans were available, schools in particular built many Mirror dinghies, I helped with a few for my school, all from plans.
    Building my own one (22343) from a kit was bliss after cutting a few out, with hand tools (builds character apparently)

    Neil.
    I'm not sure how that situation developed but I do have knowledge of how keen some Mirror racers were in the seventies and eighties to gain an advantage.They bought the standard kit and "damaged" some of the components so that they could substitute lighter alternatives.I don't suppose they would have gone to the trouble if ordinary plans had been readily available.

    As for the repair of the boat in question,a roll of brown paper and a boat to wrap a piece round would probably be the easy solutionA little surplus might be prudent for fine tuning.

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    Thanks, John. I think so, too.

    Nick's link has proved helpful in that it has come up with a picture of the aft bottom panel, on the Trident page. I have printed it out and examined it. It is very nearly rectangular, though not entirely so. It seems to be fractionally wider forward and of course has the cutaway. I think this will give me a head start. Thank you, everybody, for your comments.

    Thanks, Neil. I had a look at myboatplans. Don't think I need to go to that length, but it was fascinating. Thanks, Hugh, for the offer.

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    Cool! Looking forward to seeing pics!

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    This is what it looks like now, Hugh ! The bows upturned and the rest of the sections against the walls of the house — a sorry sight, indeed ! Hope you can see them properly. This is the first time I'm uploading pics. You gentlemen can see that I've got a real project on my hands — and I'm not an experienced boat builder, just someone who likes to work with wood.

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    I'm in my fifties and have worked all my life (of course). However, I'm just at that stage where I really need a break. I run my own one-man business and have decided to close for the interim. For the next three or four months I'm going to take off time to rest and to work on restoring it. I have a lovely, grassed sheltered courtyard, part of which you can see above. We're going into lovely sunny autumn in South Africa. My office overlooks it all and I place my computer speakers on the windowsill and come up with wonderful playlists of music to work by. Lots of work ahead but I'm really looking forward to this period of my life.

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    OH MY! You DO have a project! It looks like you mostly have patterns to make a whole new boat, and not complete patterns at that! I hope you'll have time to document your project and share it with us. Maybe watching you will light a fire under my sorry @$$ and I'll roll mine over and actually get some work done on it! I've been procrastinating, working on a recently acquired frozen snot boat (and an old house and a few hundred other things) but since I truly am retired I really have no valid excuse! Good on ya!

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    Hallo Russel,

    As a fellow South African, stop right there.
    There is nothing unique about a Mirror dinghy unless you have boat number 1. Chuck that hull away. I am a big fan of restoration and preservation of old sailing boats but some boats you must walk away from. It is not worth spending any time or money on that hull never mind how much you like boatbuilding.
    I see you live in KZN. That area was a Mirror dinghy stronghold back in the 1970's and 1980's and the suburbs will be full of long forgotten Mirrors lying in carport a and store rooms. Put out word on all the local Facebook pages in your area that you want an old abandoned Mirror and my bet is you wil get a fixer upper for FREE. Whatever you get will be better than what you have there. No ways will you get that boat rebuilt and symmetrical to resemble a Mirror again. Well, not within your sabbatical from work.
    You can always transfer the rig you have over to another hull.

    Have fun and enjoy the break.

    Frans.

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    That goes even beyond Duncan's Mighty Pippin restoration.Quite a challenge,but if you want the satisfaction go right ahead.If you just want to go sailing the advice from Frans is appropriate.

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    Russell

    You're going to need a bit of help with that!

    Having a quick google, I came up with these
    http://www.ukmirrorsailing.com/index...-mirror-dinghy
    The link to the Canadian building instructions (50 page pdf) will be of most help as it contains some sketch plans with some dimensions. There's other links to restoration blogs etc.

    Nick

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