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    i reckon i like spartans as much or more than i do staggerwings. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    When accident investigators refer to the aircraft in question, right next to it in the Commonwealth designation is (AKA NA P51-D)

    "Improved" is a bit of a stretch when you put in a different engine. The CA22.Mk22 were "modified like the P51-F-6D".

    We all know that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
    Licensed production isn't imitation. I guess we can thank LBJ for pointing out the difficulties we were having re Spitfire licensing for us getting the P51
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    That's nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i reckon i like spartans as much or more than i do staggerwings. . .


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    the only post war spartan built
    hard to compete against converted war surplus aircraft
    after building this, spartan transitioned to manufacturing high end luxury travel trailers



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Licensed production isn't imitation. I guess we can thank LBJ for pointing out the difficulties we were having re Spitfire licensing for us getting the P51
    So, are you building the same aircraft (a copy) an improved aircraft or what? I think you'll have to make up your mind.
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    You could buy this, converted for fast luxury civilian use, in 1950 for half the price of a new Beech Bonanza.

    pressurized, seating for six or eight passengers, toilet, sleeping quarters, full length six foot headroom, flush glass, cabinn heat, apu, dc-6 landing gear and brakes, improved rudder. . .

    365 mph cruise speed and 25,000 ceiling

    Last edited by Paul Pless; 04-17-2018 at 07:48 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    So, are you building the same aircraft (a copy) an improved aircraft or what? I think you'll have to make up your mind.
    pedantry troll rules apply to almost all bigfella aviation related posts . . .
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    So, are you building the same aircraft (a copy) an improved aircraft or what? I think you'll have to make up your mind.
    What aircraft are you meaning? The dog with the Allison? The improvement with the Packard Merlin or the one that had the Rolls Royce engine? All up there were over 13,000 copies IIRC, but the war was already turned two years before any of them showed up.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    pedantry troll rules apply to almost all bigfella aviation related posts . . .
    You mean I post without a Weinstein filter? Facts rather than a Hollywood fairy tale?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    What aircraft are you meaning? The dog with the Allison? The improvement with the Packard Merlin or the one that had the Rolls Royce engine? All up there were over 13,000 copies IIRC, but the war was already turned two years before any of them showed up.
    So in other words, they were no different than other P-51's - simply improved the way that the American P-51-D's onward and British MkIV's were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    So in other words, they were no different than other P-51's - simply improved the way that the American P-51-D's onward and British MkIV's were.
    I'm sure that a person of your obvious intelligence can find the answer to that
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Scheuer View Post
    Saw the Lockheed take off and land, johnwill. I believe the Convair was a static display, or simply wasn't there (might just be remembering press photos, which came in the mail to Dad by the bushel). It has only been recently where I read that the Lockheed was very difficult for the pilot to transfer from horiz to vertical for landing.
    I believe the Convair pilot seat would rotate about 45 deg forward during takeoff and landing to give the pilot a better view of the ground. Not sure about the Lockheed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Scheuer View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...cid=spartandhp

    Speaking of Lockheed, I believe they would have joined the fuselages with a continuous horiz stabilizer and elevator; why mess with success. Now some engineer probably had paperwork full of calcs showing how the wing will withstand the twist, but Lockheed would say "BS, why mess with success" (the P-38).
    I agree completely about the torque in the wing center section. As an airplane structural engineer, I cringe at the thought of an unbalanced gust or flutter effects. I'm sure the flight controls are programmed to handle those events, hope it works.

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    The Lockheed seat also pivoted forward as the AC went vertical.

    Changing the subject, a friend had a Spartan for awhile. An excellent airline pilot, qualified to fly and instruct in many warbirds, he once had to land the Spartan in a pasture near the airport after he blew a jug. I was invited for a hop once. The pilot usually made wheel landings in his Spartan, a maneuver he once gave me some key advice about as I was flying a rented Cessna-140.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i reckon i like spartans as much or more than i do staggerwings. . .
    I didn't read the entire thread, but I looked at all the pictures (Playboy syndrome I guess). I didn't see a Staggerwind pic. As I've mentioned before, my 91 year old neighbor and his friend rebuilt one and then flew it from Seattle to Miami for sale to someone in South America. It was very similar to this one. The lower pic is my neighbor in the right seat. He fabriced and doped the wings in the front yard, stopped a lot of passerbys.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    You could buy this, converted for fast luxury civilian use, in 1950 for half the price of a new Beech Bonanza.

    pressurized, seating for six or eight passengers, toilet, sleeping quarters, full length six foot headroom, flush glass, cabinn heat, apu, dc-6 landing gear and brakes, improved rudder. . .

    365 mph cruise speed and 25,000 ceiling


    Sexy Sue looks nice and the plane is pretty cool too.

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    I saw a couple of B-26s at Barstow Dagget airfield during desert exercises at Ft Irwin. The mechanic who was rebuilding and maintaining a couple dozen war birds said they'd flown in with nothing more than tachometers and oil pressure gauges. Here's a picture of one of them.

    Might well be some parts from this one on Sexy Sue.

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    This looks alot like the Savage Bobber
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i reckon i like spartans as much or more than i do staggerwings. . .

    Had the chance to crawl all over a recently refinished Executive at Trippletree Aerodrome last year. What a beauty it is and really great performance as well. Was this the first all metal plane to have wing/fuselage fairing? New ones were needed for the rebuild and it took several attempts on the wheel to get it right.

    As a Civil Air Patrol Cadet, I got to fly in the plastic nose of a recon model of the A26 at Myrtle Beach Air Base in 1947. With the pilot showing off a bit, it was certainly the fastest I've gone in a prop plane. The body has a small cross section so it was probably tight for a private passenger plane and the fuel bill would have been way up there too.
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    apart from the shoulder shoving...
    a really good thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonP View Post
    This looks alot like the Savage Bobber
    Correct.
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    So you noticed...
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    Another Bear for Paul, this time with a favourite of mine, the BAC (English Electric Lightning). I used to have a bunch of aircraft books and this photo appeared in many of them.



    One of the books I had autographed by Mike Hale. He's the pilot detailed in the Wikipedia pages as having intercepted a U2 in a Lightning. I was visiting RAF Binbrook on my 16th birthday and his wife was our tour guide. She popped home to get him to sign a picture taken by his gun-camera from a red flag exercise where he scored a hit on an F-15. He was home convalescing after ejecting from a Lightning over the North Sea - they were good when they worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Since when is an improved original a copy?
    They had a different version of the Merlin, so they weren't Mustangs?

    Silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    They had a different version of the Merlin, so they weren't Mustangs?

    Silly.
    So, you'd call this a Mustang?

    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    DA!!!
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    Nice to see the amphibian. I flew in one of those, 35 years ago

    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Licensed production isn't imitation. I guess we can thank LBJ for pointing out the difficulties we were having re Spitfire licensing for us getting the P51
    They were licensed because they were an existing design, the P-51. And the CA-22 used the Packard engine.


    CAC CA-18 Mustang Mk 21, Mk 22 and Mk 23 120 License production in Australia of 120 (170 were originally ordered) P-51D. The Mk 21 and Mk 22 used the American-built Packard V-1650-3 or V-1650-7 engine and the Mk 23 (which followed the Mk 21) was powered by a Rolls-Royce Merlin 66 or Merlin 70 engine.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_...n_P-51_Mustang

    Had they actually been a different design than the P-51 Mustang, no license would have been required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    So, you'd call this a Mustang?

    I would call them modified Mustang airframes. They were built as Mustangs, but during modification most of the parts were replaced, unlike the Australian Mustangs, which were license-built to Mustang plans.

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