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    Default Meanwhile: Iran vs Israel, the real worry

    Or so says Thom Friedman of the NYTimes:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/15/o...ol-left-region

    I can GUARANTEE you that if the Israelis go all out to demolish Iranian military infrastructure in Syria, our current president will be loading them up for bear.
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    I wonder if Israel would need the 'support'. What I found interesting, as well - the apparent conflict between their military commander (Iran) and President. We don't hear much about that- mostly just Fear and Loathing.
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    Wow. The whole place will go boom.
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    I'm inclined to agree Tom.
    The way things are going, and Donald seemed comfortable with it a week or so ago, the Russians will control Syria (more or less), the Iranians at the other end will control Iraq and and squeezed in down by the sea, is Israel.
    A few well signalled missiles after an Assad gas attack are a mere distraction.
    The State Department has been stripped and Donald is no statesman diplomat to cool things down. He likes the limelight too much.

    Interesting times eh?

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    This site is linked in the article linked to in a previous post......
    A highly recommend website, which tracks the multiple interlocking Syrian conflicts in real time and is used by the U.N. observers here on the Golan Heights.

    https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/...ra-countryside

    eg: Israeli UAVs are flying over Quneitra countryside posted 5 min ago
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    Quds has been a problem for a long time!
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    It’s an obvious conflict but there are other real ones as well. Maybe Bolton can be Israels front man. I’m still expecting a 9/11 type attck on Saudi oil infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Wow. The whole place will go boom.
    its ever been thus, right?
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    The hands of that particular Doomsday Clock go closer, then further, then closer again. We are at a "closer" bit just now, I think. The worrying bit for me is the resurgence of a real possibility of a Russia / America direct confrontation, if their proxies heat things up so much. Harder to stay clear of it when both of the big countries already have forces actively fighting within the theater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    It’s an obvious conflict but there are other real ones as well. Maybe Bolton can be Israels front man. I’m still expecting a 9/11 type attck on Saudi oil infrastructure.
    Oil price is already spiking, what do they know that we don't, yet.

    Donald's 'crocodile tears missiles' have already been seen for what they are, a pre-arranged show to give Donald and Vlad something to distract their populations. So what's next?

    I think the Cambridge Analytica affair has the possibility of blowing conventional politics out of the water, and destroying any trust that any party is what they say they are. And for a democracy/ republic/whatever that is the biggest danger. The US is lost, temporarily we hope, to manipulation, and getting the republic back will not be at all easy.
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    I’m susceptible to thinking about problems “over there”, and haven’t read the Friedman oped, but the more significant problems are what we do as a nation for good or ill. How we express our security needs and ideals in policy matter a lot more because it’s supposedly what we have control of. Continuing to conflate our needs with the MIC through Israel/Saudi Arabia isn’t helping and we have proven we aren’t wise enough to use military power effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    I’m susceptible to thinking about problems “over there”, and haven’t read the Friedman oped, but the more significant problems are what we do as a nation for good or ill. How we express our security needs and ideals in policy matter a lot more because it’s supposedly what we have control of. Continuing to conflate our needs with the MIC through Israel/Saudi Arabia isn’t helping and we have proven we aren’t wise enough to use military power effectively.
    let me boil that down for you to something really simple, "we no longer need their ****ing oil"
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    let me boil that down for you to something really simple, "we no longer need their ****ing oil"
    oh yes we do. All those affordable products made in other parts of the world that we buy compliments of energy supplied by the oil exporting countries, with Saudi Arabia at the top of the list.

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    It's all the fault of The Judean's People's Front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    oh yes we do. All those affordable products made in other parts of the world that we buy compliments of energy supplied by the oil exporting countries, with Saudi Arabia at the top of the list.
    wonder how much of a dent we could make in our various trade deficits if we weren't subsiding cheap energy for every*******body else. . .

    dumbest **** ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hadfield View Post
    It's all the fault of The Judean's People's Front.
    People's Front of Judea, shurely? - Ed.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    wonder how much of a dent we could make in our various trade deficits if we weren't subsiding cheap energy for every*******body else. . .

    dumbest **** ever
    you mean pay more for oil?! That is heresy!

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    We could sell you some expensive muck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    We could sell you some expensive muck.
    It's expensive, but it's bad for the environment!

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    We could sell you some expensive muck.
    fermented mushroom ketchup?

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    Algae. Really long fermentation.
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    An idiot in the oval office and his extreme neocon security adviser should worry every one.
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    Would the Middle East be a more peaceful place if Israel was no longer on the map?
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    It would be a more peaceful place if none of it was on the map.

    Swiftian solution: nuke them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiletto View Post
    Would the Middle East be a more peaceful place if Israel was no longer on the map?
    If it never had been, I think. But those worms left the can some time ago.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    It would be a more peaceful place if none of it was on the map.

    Swiftian solution: nuke them all.
    How about removing the countries who made nukes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiletto View Post
    Would the Middle East be a more peaceful place if Israel was no longer on the map?

    Who gave those people with strong tribal identities all those big expensive guns, rockets, planes, tanks etc etc...........????

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    Well, it is the cradle of your civilisation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    If it never had been, I think. But those worms left the can some time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purri View Post
    Well, it is the cradle of your civilisation.
    I think that was Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    People's Front of Judea, shurely? - Ed.
    Stop calling him Shurely?
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    Hedly, not HEDDY
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    oh yes we do. All those affordable products made in other parts of the world that we buy compliments of energy supplied by the oil exporting countries, with Saudi Arabia at the top of the list.
    Your comments are applicable to the larger picture, yes.

    In Obama´s tenure incentives were provided for extracting petrochemicals products from shale oil as a means to attaining self-sufficiency.

    The more gullible ones swallowed that one, but oil prices as of late are beginning to reflect the limitations of said strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carioca1232001 View Post
    Your comments are applicable to the larger picture, yes.

    In Obama´s tenure incentives were provided for extracting petrochemicals products from shale oil as a means to attaining self-sufficiency.

    The more gullible ones swallowed that one, but oil prices as of late are beginning to reflect the limitations of said strategy.

    I doubt that Obama thought domestic oil production could meet US needs but it’s a popular and meaningless talking point.

    wrt Friedmans op/ed here’s another opinion

    https://www.juancole.com/2018/04/fri...countries.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    I doubt that Obama thought domestic oil production could meet US needs but it’s a popular and meaningless talking point.

    wrt Friedmans op/ed here’s another opinion

    https://www.juancole.com/2018/04/fri...countries.html
    Some recall the Yom Kippur ´73 aftermath when oil shot up from 3 to 13 dollars a barrel (oil producing nations world-wide declared a boycott of sorts); seeing oil prices plummet from 130 to 30 dollars a barrel in a free-market economy has me tickled till this day, especially now that oil seems on the rise again.

    Russia and Saudi Arabia were humbled, Iran struck a deal with the US and economic sanctions were lifted, but was back on its knees again. All a mere coincidence.

    I enjoyed reading Juan Cole´s appreciation of Thomas Fridman´s NYT article...the devil is in the details !

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