Herreshoff 14 Decked Rob Roy Canoe

[jaxenro]

Do any plans exist for this design? Or is there a close modern interpretation?

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[Thorne]

Yep - Harry Bryan Fiddlehead. I have the 12' version built by Forumite Dmede.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...ehead-14-Canoe

[Matt young]

I think Harry Bryan’s Fiddlehead is similar to LFH’s flat bottomed decked canoe. Not his round bottomed Rob Roy type in post #1. LFH’s Rob Roy is pretty narrow and has a shallow full keel. You don’t see those keels much now, the beam is kayak size. I really like those lines, and would like to paddle one one day. I like the soft bilge, slight beam, and flared bow. I bet he liked the flared bow, as he wrote about paddling about in cold weather, in his wool suit. As to current designs similar, Ian Oughted has a couple that are somewhat close.
http://www.oughtredboats.com/

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[rbgarr]

There's one of those LFH double paddle canoes in the Mystic Seaport Collection. They might have plans for it, but as far as I know Bror Tamm, good friend of LFH and a fine boat builder would build some of LFH's client's and personal boats and could have built from the lines alone, as would LFH himself. I visited LFH's Marblehead home some decades ago and looked for construction plans for that design but found none.
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Do any plans exist for this design? Or is there a close modern interpretation?

1930-Hereshoff-Decked-Canoe.jpgLFH Rob Roy001.jpgyacht-designer-francis-herreshoff-at-marblehead_l.jpg

[Chris249]

I thought LFH mentioned that the plans were in Rudder? It's just a vague memory from reading his letters on the Mystic Seaport site.

[nedL]

I think Mystic does have the plans.

[jaxenro]

Thank you for all the answers it appears plans were published in the September 1947 issue of Rudder and are at Mystic both of a similar 16 footer.

Looking around I came across the designs of Thomas Hill which look really similar just needing a deck added. This is his Charlotte but the Atwood Traveller looks the same and at 15' would be about perfect. I am ordering his plans, the Mystic plans, and Herreshoff's book which I understand has details of his seat design and other things

[rbgarr]

I'd be interested to know if the plans available are more than the lines.

I think Mystic does have the plans.

[Matt young]

I'd be interested to know if the plans available are more than the lines.

I was just going write essentially this. Please let us know. And sounds like you are headed in a good direction.

[jaxenro]

23 sheets although a few are seats and paddles

http://mobius.mysticseaport.org/deta...ated&kv=207617

[jaxenro]

Is anyone here familiar with Mr Hills designs. I want to build basically the smallest version I can that is still comfortable I am about 5’8” and 200 pounds. All I really plan on doing is going for a morning or evening paddle for an hour or two in placid waters nothing choppy or drastic no need to carry more than s jacket and a soda or so

woukd the Charlotte Work for me?

[tink]

Is anyone here familiar with Mr Hills designs. I want to build basically the smallest version I can that is still comfortable I am about 5’8” and 200 pounds. All I really plan on doing is going for a morning or evening paddle for an hour or two in placid waters nothing choppy or drastic no need to carry more than s jacket and a soda or so

woukd the Charlotte Work for me?

I’m 180pounds and 5’ 10” I designed and built a 12’ x 30” open canoe along the lines a Rob Roy. It as a great size, light and gets used a lot because it is quick to get on the roof and to the local river. I have no issues with stability and hadn’t canoed for 35 years when I got in it for the first time

Many desigers have their versions you just need to decide if you want quick stitch and glue, lapstrake plywood of a kit


can’t recommend it enough

[rbgarr]

FWIW, the LFH Design #57 plans at Mystic, in "Sensible Yacht Designs" and in the Sept., 1947 Rudder magazine are NOT for the round-bottomed double paddle canoe. They are for the 16' dory style flat-bottomed dp canoe mentioned in post #3 and shown as 'Sprig' in the photo in post #4.

[jaxenro]

Thanks will probably buy them anyway for the seats and details but that’s good to know

[tink]

Rob Roy inspired- or ish anyway

http://www.oughtredboats.com/. - Wee Rob and MacGregor

https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/...canoe-kit.html. Sassafras 12

https://www.bearmountainboats.com/co...s/rob-roy-solo Rob Roy solo

http://www.selway-fisher.com/Opcan15.htm Kate

Or as you say Tom Hills Charlotte

All of these will get you for a quick morning paddle if that is your goal, as I said above it is all down to how much work you want to do.

[nedL]

This should answer everyone’s question.

She's been on my 'to build' list for 40 years.

[StevenBauer]

A look through this should be helpful. You can order the printed paper version from The WoodenBoat Store.


https://books.google.com/books?id=Pmm2JrPthqwC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=pete+cul ler+wee+lassie&source=bl&ots=jhygYHb0Ib&sig=j1RCET rrfHGthNif7p-rTDAym5M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiblYyV9r7aAhUxT98KH d1IDY4Q6AEwD3oECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=pete%20culler%20 wee%20lassie&f=false


https://www.woodenboatstore.com/prod...uilding/canoes

[rbgarr]

This should answer everyone’s question.

Rob Pittaway's drafting is not of the Herreshoff double paddle canoe, but it will be useful for construction details.

[Iceboy]

I've a few Charlottes. It should work for what you are planning to use it for. I did vary from the plans in that I purchased an Old Town cane seat and fitted it to the floor. Keeps your butt dry. Light, double paddle canoe. Not easy to board or disembark but fairly stable once you are in it.

Is anyone here familiar with Mr Hills designs. I want to build basically the smallest version I can that is still comfortable I am about 5’8” and 200 pounds. All I really plan on doing is going for a morning or evening paddle for an hour or two in placid waters nothing choppy or drastic no need to carry more than s jacket and a soda or so

woukd the Charlotte Work for me?

[Matt young]

FWIW, the LFH Design #57 plans at Mystic, in "Sensible Yacht Designs" and in the Sept., 1947 Rudder magazine are NOT for the round-bottomed double paddle canoe. They are for the 16' dory style flat-bottomed dp canoe mentioned in post #3 and shown as 'Sprig' in the photo in post #4.

Yes that is right #57 is his flatbottomed canoe, it is a good one too, the drafting is really nice though and as you said you will get the seat plans. One of the plan pages for #57 is below, from “Sensible Cruising Designs”. And yup, the Pittaway is not LFH’s Rob Roy, no rocker or flare. The Charlotte will be fine for you. I like a little more length and would go for the Atwood Traveller at 15’ long, 39 pounds, and still narrow. I think LFH got the length right at 14.5’ for his Rob Roy, for a short canoe. The good thing with Hill design, if you follow the instructions you will get a light weight boat. If storing a 15’ canoe is an issue for you, then go with the 11.5’

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The Atwood Traveller

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[jaxenro]

Yes I was looking at the Atwood also trying to decide between them

[Thorne]

For anyone over 200lbs I highly recommend the larger double-paddle designs -- those guys back in the day were skinny little runts! <-- irony

I find the Fiddlehead to be very tender, particularly when entering & exiting in the water. This is in comparison to 14-15' touring canoes, but a 13' river kayak that I tried was also dangerously tippy. YMMV

[jaxenro]

Thank you that is what I was looking for as well

I am leaning towards the Atwood at 15’ and adding a deck per the original photo

There is just something about that white decked design with the cane seat that just looks right

[tink]

Atwood looks nice and at 15&rsquo; x 28&rdquo; with work well with a double paddle. You have opened up a whole new can of worms with the seat though.

I use a commercially available sit on top seat in my 12&rsquo; x 30&rdquo; and found that after an hour of paddling it became uncomfortable and so have added very specific and well researched extra padding. People make some very fabulous seats out there and I am sure they could be adapted to cane construction.



The Herreshoff book has some details of his seat.

The two main design areas that require consideration are
1) relieve pressure for the sitting bones - think of a tractor seat - easy to design to your exact anatomy
2) good lumber support, I used anthropometric data for car seats with adjustment to my exact shape.

Not very detailed but some pictures here

https://tinkboats.wordpress.com/2017/07/30/comfi-bum/

I am sure with a bit of research and design a comfortable seat with the aesthetics you require is possible.






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[jaxenro]

I like the upper right and bottom left seats do you know where they are from?

seems like this was an active thread these little boats must be popular to a degree

[tink]

I like the upper right and bottom left seats do you know where they are from?

seems like this was an active thread these little boats must be popular to a degree

From an internet research months ago just google ‘folding cane canoe seat’ and view images and loads come up

[jaxenro]

On page 245 of sensible cruising designs is a whitewater racing canoe deign 101 with lines Mystic has these

[rbgarr]

On page 245 of sensible cruising designs is a whitewater racing canoe deign 101 with lines Mystic has these

The original is in the collection of the Maine Maritime Museum. It's stored in a high rack so I only saw some details from floor level. It's constructed in an unusual way. Up to the waterline it's carved from one piece of wood! Then a rabbet along the upper edge takes thin, (perhaps) single length planks for each side. I don't recall how the stem and stern posts are constructed or if it's framed from the 'dugout' up to the deck. Then it's decked over on light deck beams with very few wide, thin planks similar to the topsides.

Bror Tamm carved a dugout canoe in two halves for LFH with glued-up lifts, port and starboard, then mated together. I suppose he could have built #101 also. There's an old WB article about the lift-built canoe.

[eskimotom]

Greetings,

Lately, I've been getting back into the business of creating new lines plans for human powered wood watercraft.

If you're interested, I can design some new lines for you, based on your desired hull style, your anticipated displacement and construction method. I often get requests from folks who are looking at a particular style craft and want changes in dimensions or capacity.

Attached is a reduced image sample of my current work in progress, a 16' x 30" Rushton Nomad Sailing canoe.

My full size documents for clients are 24" x 36" which I typically send out as PDF's for local output.

I'm thinking about reaching out to the WoodenBoat Store and Mystic to make these available to the public on a broader scale.

I do custom work, historically for stitch and glue.

I'm expanding to lines for wood strip designs as well as old school, traditional wood construction.


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In addition, I have lines in my computer, in various stages of completion, for the following:

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[jaxenro]

Sure I’d love a modern version of the canoe shown in post 1. Modern glued construction but all the period details cambered deck everything

i am am starting with a kit for my first build probably a stitch and glue version but that would make a great second build so maybe we can set it up then. Unless you could make a accurate stitch and glue version of this then I might try that first