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    Do any plans exist for this design? Or is there a close modern interpretation?

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    Yep - Harry Bryan Fiddlehead. I have the 12' version built by Forumite Dmede.

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...ehead-14-Canoe


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    I think Harry Bryan’s Fiddlehead is similar to LFH’s flat bottomed decked canoe. Not his round bottomed Rob Roy type in post #1. LFH’s Rob Roy is pretty narrow and has a shallow full keel. You don’t see those keels much now, the beam is kayak size. I really like those lines, and would like to paddle one one day. I like the soft bilge, slight beam, and flared bow. I bet he liked the flared bow, as he wrote about paddling about in cold weather, in his wool suit. As to current designs similar, Ian Oughted has a couple that are somewhat close.
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    There's one of those LFH double paddle canoes in the Mystic Seaport Collection. They might have plans for it, but as far as I know Bror Tamm, good friend of LFH and a fine boat builder would build some of LFH's client's and personal boats and could have built from the lines alone, as would LFH himself. I visited LFH's Marblehead home some decades ago and looked for construction plans for that design but found none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxenro View Post
    Do any plans exist for this design? Or is there a close modern interpretation?

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    I thought LFH mentioned that the plans were in Rudder? It's just a vague memory from reading his letters on the Mystic Seaport site.

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    I think Mystic does have the plans.

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    Thank you for all the answers it appears plans were published in the September 1947 issue of Rudder and are at Mystic both of a similar 16 footer.

    Looking around I came across the designs of Thomas Hill which look really similar just needing a deck added. This is his Charlotte but the Atwood Traveller looks the same and at 15' would be about perfect. I am ordering his plans, the Mystic plans, and Herreshoff's book which I understand has details of his seat design and other things
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    I'd be interested to know if the plans available are more than the lines.
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    I think Mystic does have the plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    I'd be interested to know if the plans available are more than the lines.
    I was just going write essentially this. Please let us know. And sounds like you are headed in a good direction.
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    23 sheets although a few are seats and paddles

    http://mobius.mysticseaport.org/deta...ated&kv=207617
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    Is anyone here familiar with Mr Hills designs. I want to build basically the smallest version I can that is still comfortable I am about 5’8” and 200 pounds. All I really plan on doing is going for a morning or evening paddle for an hour or two in placid waters nothing choppy or drastic no need to carry more than s jacket and a soda or so

    woukd the Charlotte Work for me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxenro View Post
    Is anyone here familiar with Mr Hills designs. I want to build basically the smallest version I can that is still comfortable I am about 58 and 200 pounds. All I really plan on doing is going for a morning or evening paddle for an hour or two in placid waters nothing choppy or drastic no need to carry more than s jacket and a soda or so

    woukd the Charlotte Work for me?
    Im 180pounds and 5 10 I designed and built a 12 x 30 open canoe along the lines a Rob Roy. It as a great size, light and gets used a lot because it is quick to get on the roof and to the local river. I have no issues with stability and hadnt canoed for 35 years when I got in it for the first time

    Many desigers have their versions you just need to decide if you want quick stitch and glue, lapstrake plywood of a kit


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    FWIW, the LFH Design #57 plans at Mystic, in "Sensible Yacht Designs" and in the Sept., 1947 Rudder magazine are NOT for the round-bottomed double paddle canoe. They are for the 16' dory style flat-bottomed dp canoe mentioned in post #3 and shown as 'Sprig' in the photo in post #4.
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    Thanks will probably buy them anyway for the seats and details but that’s good to know

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    Rob Roy inspired- or ish anyway

    http://www.oughtredboats.com/. - Wee Rob and MacGregor

    https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/...canoe-kit.html. Sassafras 12

    https://www.bearmountainboats.com/co...s/rob-roy-solo Rob Roy solo

    http://www.selway-fisher.com/Opcan15.htm Kate

    Or as you say Tom Hills Charlotte

    All of these will get you for a quick morning paddle if that is your goal, as I said above it is all down to how much work you want to do.






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    This should answer everyone’s question.

    She's been on my 'to build' list for 40 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nedL View Post
    This should answer everyone’s question.
    Rob Pittaway's drafting is not of the Herreshoff double paddle canoe, but it will be useful for construction details.
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    Default Re: Herreshoff 14 Decked Rob Roy Canoe

    I've a few Charlottes. It should work for what you are planning to use it for. I did vary from the plans in that I purchased an Old Town cane seat and fitted it to the floor. Keeps your butt dry. Light, double paddle canoe. Not easy to board or disembark but fairly stable once you are in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaxenro View Post
    Is anyone here familiar with Mr Hills designs. I want to build basically the smallest version I can that is still comfortable I am about 5’8” and 200 pounds. All I really plan on doing is going for a morning or evening paddle for an hour or two in placid waters nothing choppy or drastic no need to carry more than s jacket and a soda or so

    woukd the Charlotte Work for me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    FWIW, the LFH Design #57 plans at Mystic, in "Sensible Yacht Designs" and in the Sept., 1947 Rudder magazine are NOT for the round-bottomed double paddle canoe. They are for the 16' dory style flat-bottomed dp canoe mentioned in post #3 and shown as 'Sprig' in the photo in post #4.
    Yes that is right #57 is his flatbottomed canoe, it is a good one too, the drafting is really nice though and as you said you will get the seat plans. One of the plan pages for #57 is below, from “Sensible Cruising Designs”. And yup, the Pittaway is not LFH’s Rob Roy, no rocker or flare. The Charlotte will be fine for you. I like a little more length and would go for the Atwood Traveller at 15’ long, 39 pounds, and still narrow. I think LFH got the length right at 14.5’ for his Rob Roy, for a short canoe. The good thing with Hill design, if you follow the instructions you will get a light weight boat. If storing a 15’ canoe is an issue for you, then go with the 11.5’

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    Default Re: Herreshoff 14 Decked Rob Roy Canoe

    Yes I was looking at the Atwood also trying to decide between them

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    For anyone over 200lbs I highly recommend the larger double-paddle designs -- those guys back in the day were skinny little runts! <-- irony

    I find the Fiddlehead to be very tender, particularly when entering & exiting in the water. This is in comparison to 14-15' touring canoes, but a 13' river kayak that I tried was also dangerously tippy. YMMV
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    Default Re: Herreshoff 14 Decked Rob Roy Canoe

    Thank you that is what I was looking for as well

    I am leaning towards the Atwood at 15’ and adding a deck per the original photo

    There is just something about that white decked design with the cane seat that just looks right

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    Atwood looks nice and at 15&rsquo; x 28&rdquo; with work well with a double paddle. You have opened up a whole new can of worms with the seat though.

    I use a commercially available sit on top seat in my 12&rsquo; x 30&rdquo; and found that after an hour of paddling it became uncomfortable and so have added very specific and well researched extra padding. People make some very fabulous seats out there and I am sure they could be adapted to cane construction.



    The Herreshoff book has some details of his seat.

    The two main design areas that require consideration are
    1) relieve pressure for the sitting bones - think of a tractor seat - easy to design to your exact anatomy
    2) good lumber support, I used anthropometric data for car seats with adjustment to my exact shape.

    Not very detailed but some pictures here

    https://tinkboats.wordpress.com/2017/07/30/comfi-bum/

    I am sure with a bit of research and design a comfortable seat with the aesthetics you require is possible.






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    Default Re: Herreshoff 14 Decked Rob Roy Canoe

    I like the upper right and bottom left seats do you know where they are from?

    seems like this was an active thread these little boats must be popular to a degree

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxenro View Post
    I like the upper right and bottom left seats do you know where they are from?

    seems like this was an active thread these little boats must be popular to a degree
    From an internet research months ago just google ‘folding cane canoe seat’ and view images and loads come up

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    Default Re: Herreshoff 14 Decked Rob Roy Canoe

    On page 245 of sensible cruising designs is a whitewater racing canoe deign 101 with lines Mystic has these
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