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    “What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict?”
    —Donald Trump, August 30, 2013

    ”If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!”

    ”The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!”
    —Donald Trump, August 31, 2013

    ”AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!”
    —Donald Trump, September 5, 2013
    But obviously, things are different now. Way back in 2013, there was no need to try to divert attention away from Mr. Trump’s shady lawyer getting raided by the FBI, James Comey releasing his book, or the Speaker of the House jumping ship and leaving Congress along with another 40+ of his Republican colleagues.

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    Good thing at least that there’s a calm and steady hand on the tiller of the US Ship of State here in these troubling times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James McMullen View Post
    Good thing at least that there’s a calm and steady hand on the tiller of the US Ship of State here in these troubling times.
    A Stable Genius, no less.

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    Our libs stated obama was a genius for changing with new information.

    What hypocrites.

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    What a pointless exercise.... No doubt, Syria moved their most important assets in advance of the strike... and facilities will be re-built.

    Without a strategy, there is NO point to a military strike.....

    What is the US strategy for Syria? Does anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    Our libs stated obama was a genius for changing with new information.

    What hypocrites.
    what you are saying makes absolutely no sense.

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    ^ continuity is a strong point!


    sorta..

    maybe..

    well..

    0-:

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    [IMc - Since Russian agent orange45 tweeted the plan to Putin, of course they moved.]

    APRIL 13, 2018 / 11:41 PM / UPDATED 16 HOURS AGO
    Pro-Assad official says targeted bases were evacuated on Russian warning
    Reuters Staff

    BEIRUT (Reuters) - The Syrian government and its allies have absorbed a U.S.-led attack on Saturday and the targeted sites were evacuated days ago thanks to a warning from Russia, a senior official in a regional alliance that backs Damascus said.

    “We have absorbed the strike”, the official told Reuters.

    “We had an early warning of the strike from the Russians ... and all military bases were evacuated a few days ago,” the official said. Around 30 missiles were fired in the attack, and a third of them were shot down, the official said.

    “We are carrying out an assessment of the material damages,” the official added.

    Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has been backed in the seven-year-long Syrian war by Russia, Iran, and Iran-backed Shi’ite groups from across the region, including Lebanon’s Hezbollah.

    Reporting by Laila Bassam; Writing by Tom Perry; Editing by Samia Nakhoul

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    Then and now.
    He was in vlad's pocket even back then.
    The best statement I've seen from this latest carnage came from a student who lived through it -

    "My generation will not allow this to continue!"

    Remember voting age is 18. Read it and weep reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    [IMc - Since Russian agent orange45 tweeted the plan to Putin, of course they moved.]

    APRIL 13, 2018 / 11:41 PM / UPDATED 16 HOURS AGO
    Pro-Assad official says targeted bases were evacuated on Russian warning
    Reuters Staff

    BEIRUT (Reuters) - The Syrian government and its allies have absorbed a U.S.-led attack on Saturday and the targeted sites were evacuated days ago thanks to a warning from Russia, a senior official in a regional alliance that backs Damascus said.

    “We have absorbed the strike”, the official told Reuters.

    “We had an early warning of the strike from the Russians ... and all military bases were evacuated a few days ago,” the official said. Around 30 missiles were fired in the attack, and a third of them were shot down, the official said.

    “We are carrying out an assessment of the material damages,” the official added.

    Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has been backed in the seven-year-long Syrian war by Russia, Iran, and Iran-backed Shi’ite groups from across the region, including Lebanon’s Hezbollah.

    Reporting by Laila Bassam; Writing by Tom Perry; Editing by Samia Nakhoul
    Hey, let’s have a parade! We can shoot off fireworks!

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    Ian's post is important not just from the standpoint that there is a mole in the White House, Pentagon, CIA, NSA, etc. but equally important (more so actually) that there was no intel reporting that the assets had been moved from the target areas.

    Yeah, let's talk about strategy. Once again, "What does winning look like?"
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    "My generation will not allow this to continue!"

    Remember voting age is 18. Read it and weep reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    Ian's post is important not just from the standpoint that there is a mole in the White House, Pentagon, CIA, NSA, etc. but equally important (more so actually) that there was no intel reporting that the assets had been moved from the target areas.

    Yeah, let's talk about strategy. Once again, "What does winning look like?"
    Getting re-elected as a 'war president'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Getting re-elected as a 'war president'.
    worked in 2004 even AFTER there was sufficient evidence the country and Congress was misled. That’s why Blueys comment about Trumpsters being disappointed so ridiculous. Hey, Saddam/Assad made us do it, we have no choice, we’re victims to others pushing our buttons.

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    Reuters gives an honest report and [#8] those are the claims of Assad. The main actors - Putin, Trump, Assad - are constant and brazen liars and the actual truth could be almost anything. There are signs of rationality, at least among the Russian and US military. Our commanders maintained the "let's not stumble into each other" protocols, letting the Russians know where things would be happening. Not the actual targets though those might be utterly obvious, the the area. It appears that the Russians made sure they were out of the way and that the Russians did not engage in any way.

    I do not see how we have the gall to claim mission accomplished, except for sure we accomplished the mission of using up some of our ordinance.

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    We have no idea what the joint objective might have been, if the decided targets assigned/chosen by US forces were destroyed then claiming success is fine.

    Unless anyone here has information about targets assigned you're just talking out your a$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    Reuters gives an honest report and [#8] those are the claims of Assad. The main actors - Putin, Trump, Assad - are constant and brazen liars and the actual truth could be almost anything. There are signs of rationality, at least among the Russian and US military. Our commanders maintained the "let's not stumble into each other" protocols, letting the Russians know where things would be happening. Not the actual targets though those might be utterly obvious, the the area. It appears that the Russians made sure they were out of the way and that the Russians did not engage in any way.

    I do not see how we have the gall to claim mission accomplished, except for sure we accomplished the mission of using up some of our ordinance.
    Here i thought you were going to face the fact Trump and Putin are not friends..

    So much for that liberal lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    worked in 2004 even AFTER there was sufficient evidence the country and Congress was misled. That’s why Blueys comment about Trumpsters being disappointed so ridiculous. Hey, Saddam/Assad made us do it, we have no choice, we’re victims to others pushing our buttons.
    I dont see sky blue on this thread, You seem obsessed .

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    Last week was a good time to buy Raytheon

    Syria Airstrikes Instantly Added Nearly $5 Billion to Missile-Makers' Stock Value


    The article is actually from last year's attack but you get the idea http://fortune.com/2017/04/07/syria-...aytheon-stock/
    Last edited by JimD; 04-14-2018 at 05:20 PM.
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    Despite his earlier tweets, Trump has a more recent history of bombing Syria after the use of chemical weapons. So while interesting, his earlier tweets are old news.

    It's a case of damned if ya attack right away, and get accused of reacting without enough intelligence (with Trump, that's easy) or damned waiting to confirm targets, get a coalition force to help, and the targets move out.

    It goes without saying that the usual crowd would bitch either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    I dont see sky blue on this thread, You seem obsessed .
    Pay attention bobbys, Sky Blue is everywhere.
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    bobbys, you must not pay much attention to what I actually write to fantasize that I think there's authentic love between Putin and Trump. As has been pointed out on this Forum, Putin is playing Trump in the normal way a case handler does an asset. And, were you to do Trump the honor of reading his book, as I have, you would know that his own view of relationships is about the same. It's just that despite his hyperinflated view of himself, Trump is not very good at it.

    By the way, bobbys, I don't think you lie. I think you just don't think things through.

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    Hmmm re the title, The French, Brit's, Aussies and Germans were bombing Syria in or around 1916.

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    I just have a fairly simple thought. Anyone who says 'x' is the wrong thing to do should tell us what would be the right thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    I just have a fairly simple thought. Anyone who says 'x' is the wrong thing to do should tell us what would be the right thing to do.
    Develop a coherent Middle East foreign policy that doesn’t hitch onto Israel and Saudi demonization of Iran and Syria. Lead on humanitarian aid to refugees instead of aid to MIC. Mindless reaction to regional conflicts as a way to showcase the relevance of US military power isn’t promoting anything positive.


    This was positive. The idea that we will eliminate heinous ways of killing with bombing or prevent it ever happening again is unrealistic. Chlorine and other cw weapons can be easily made.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dest...emical_weapons

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    Bolton was against it when 0bama was looking for congressional support but strangely he’s for it now. Like Ryan on the deficit I guess.

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    The thread distilled down to it's essence:

    Obama bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=good!
    Trump bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=bad!
    Ratus ratus bilgeous snipeous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    We have no idea what the joint objective might have been...
    We don't even know what the US strategy for Syria is. The 'joint objective of the strike' can be classified.... but the US strategy certainly cannot be. US citizens deserve to know what the hell we are doing there, in the 'big picture' sense. I have no clue what that might be....

    Do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Adams View Post
    The thread distilled down to it's essence:

    Obama bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=good!
    Trump bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=bad!
    Actually..
    Obama bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=good!
    Trump bombs Syria for distraction from domestic pressures=bad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    What is the US strategy for Syria? Does anyone know?
    last week we were getting out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Adams View Post
    The thread distilled down to it's essence:

    Obama bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=good!
    Trump bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=bad!
    If you live in a bumper sticker world view you could put those on your car but it wouldn’t correspond to anyone’s thinking. US foreign policy hasn’t changed much from Obama to Trump, that’s not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    We don't even know what the US strategy for Syria is. The 'joint objective of the strike' can be classified.... but the US strategy certainly cannot be. US citizens deserve to know what the hell we are doing there, in the 'big picture' sense. I have no clue what that might be....

    Do you?
    Pretend Syria and Iran are the source of instability in the region and pretend that “regime change” will be the solution. Sell arms to “allies”. Hope Iraq will become an ally to buy weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    last week we were getting out
    That was last week. This week it’s cruising missiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Adams View Post
    The thread distilled down to it's essence:

    Obama bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=good!
    Trump bombs Syria for use of nerve gas=bad!
    .

    Heres liberals bumper stickers.

    Obama bombs Syria to save the children and world peace.

    Trump bombs Syria for big oil and rich fat cats that own arm factories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    .

    Heres liberals bumper stickers.

    Obama bombs Syria to save the children and world peace.

    Trump bombs Syria for big oil and rich fat cats that own arm factories.
    Republican bumper stickers:

    "Don't re-nig in 2012"

    "Don't blame me, I voted for the American"

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    choices, choices

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ionate/558068/
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    What did we do, instead? “We believe that by hitting Barzeh in particular we've attacked the heart of the Syrian chemicals weapon program,” said the director of the Joint Staff. Parse those words: “we believe” (not, “we know”); “we’ve attacked” (not, “we’ve destroyed”: throwing a rock counts as an attack); “the heart of the Syrian chemical weapons program” (not their stockpiles, not their scientists, not their decision-makers, not their munitions handlers, not their pilots, not even necessarily all or even most of their laboratories). Military people know, none better, how to be precise when they wish to be. The art of command rests in part on accuracy and concreteness. The Pentagon’s language here tells you that the generals know better, but that they are being molded by the American President.
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    The magnitude of the Syrian debacle is difficult to absorb. Half a million dead. Millions more refugees. Ancient cities in ruins. The politics of the region and even Europe destabilized. Norms about the use of chemical weapons shattered. Iranian influence extended into the Levant, and Russia’s ability to meddle and inflame exacerbated. Sunni Islamist extremists suppressed only for now, but hundreds of thousands of potential recruits for future jihad waiting in the smashed cities and desolate refugee camps. A much larger regional war brewing and indeed in its early stages. And there is not the slightest evidence of an American policy concept to deal with that.
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