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  • Chippie
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 1483

    #16
    Re: pilot coble

    [QUOTE=Rob Hazard;5536141]This is the first time I've seen oars made like that. It looks like a quick way to assemble a usable oar from lumber yard stock.[/QUO

    That's feasible Rob I went along that road and thought how

    much easier than a rounded oar, but there are simpler designs to employ.

    I think it was much more complex than that.


    Remember that apart from sail rowing was the only means of propelling a boat when these came along then with mechanical propulsion they were less important. I am old enough to remember the oars that were in use when I was young coming from that period.

    Some features are lost in the "modern" equivalents.



    I am anticipating some smart ass coming along and saying the pulled boats with horses/ How about punts/they paddled canoes.

    Digressing slightly are there any more ( let's get it over with)
    Last edited by Chippie; 04-15-2018, 07:48 AM.

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    • Rob Hazard
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2003
      • 2149

      #17
      Re: pilot coble

      Chippie, I notice that in the OP photo the oarsman has the oars deployed opposite of what you show in the photo of your model. Were these oars used either way?

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      • Peerie Maa
        Old Grey Inquisitive One
        • Oct 2008
        • 62453

        #18
        Re: pilot coble

        Originally posted by Rob Hazard
        Chippie, I notice that in the OP photo the oarsman has the oars deployed opposite of what you show in the photo of your model. Were these oars used either way?
        It's my model and I don't think so.
        It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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        • Peerie Maa
          Old Grey Inquisitive One
          • Oct 2008
          • 62453

          #19
          Re: pilot coble

          Originally posted by Chippie

          I am anticipating some smart ass coming along and saying the pulled boats with horses/ How about punts/they paddled canoes.

          Digressing slightly are there any more ( let's get it over with)


          Legging, you forgot legging
          It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

          The power of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web
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          • Paul Pless
            pinko commie tree hugger
            • Oct 2003
            • 124841

            #20
            Re: pilot coble

            an inconvenient ledge in hartlepool

            Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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            • Rob Hazard
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2003
              • 2149

              #21
              Re: pilot coble

              Sorry, Peerie, I see now it's your model and photo.
              I do find the design of those oars oddly pleasing from an engineering point of view. They could easily be made to come apart quickly for stowage. Makes me almost wish I had a need for another pair of oars!

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              • Peerie Maa
                Old Grey Inquisitive One
                • Oct 2008
                • 62453

                #22
                Re: pilot coble

                Originally posted by Rob Hazard
                Sorry, Peerie, I see now it's your model and photo.
                I do find the design of those oars oddly pleasing from an engineering point of view. They could easily be made to come apart quickly for stowage. Makes me almost wish I had a need for another pair of oars!
                No wukkas.
                The probably continued to be done that way for economical use of materials. The blade shaped from board and the looms cut from thicker stock, but in shorter lengths than needed for one piece oars.
                It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                • Chippie
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 1483

                  #23
                  Re: pilot coble

                  Originally posted by Rob Hazard
                  Chippie, I notice that in the OP photo the oarsman has the oars deployed opposite of what you show in the photo of your model. Were these oars used either way?
                  Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                  It's my model and I don't think so.
                  Well spotted Rob actually Peerie has them deployed wrongly.

                  The blade of the oar should precede the bile (loom) when the oar is pulled toward the rower.

                  That means that the blade is supported at the back by the bile, if you look at the model and imagine pulling the oar forward the load on the blade is counteracted by the "lashing" only, a common mistake as is putting the "load" on the ring loop on the thole pin which results in the oar and ring parting company.

                  Nick the blade was never recessed square into the bile but scarphed to prevent ​peeling.

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                  • Chippie
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 1483

                    #24
                    Re: pilot coble

                    [IMG]jpgP0481[/IMG]

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                    • Peerie Maa
                      Old Grey Inquisitive One
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 62453

                      #25
                      Re: pilot coble

                      Originally posted by Chippie
                      Well spotted Rob actually Peerie has them deployed wrongly.

                      The blade of the oar should precede the bile (loom) when the oar is pulled toward the rower.

                      That means that the blade is supported at the back by the bile, if you look at the model and imagine pulling the oar forward the load on the blade is counteracted by the "lashing" only, a common mistake as is putting the "load" on the ring loop on the thole pin which results in the oar and ring parting company.

                      Nick the blade was never recessed square into the bile but scarphed to prevent ​peeling.

                      It looks as though I have driven the Cringle in from the wrong side. That will get sorted tomorrow,
                      The drawings of the oars, available to me have square ended swash nailed into the clogg. The Sunderland foy boat Leslie that was in the Exeter collection and drawn by Cdr McKee being one. So there will have been regional differences.
                      It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                      • Canoeyawl
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 37705

                        #26
                        Re: pilot coble

                        Originally posted by Paul Pless
                        There will be no feathering of the oars on White Star. Perhaps there is some logic to do with surf, breaking bars and etc?
                        In rough water catching a crab can be darn near lethal. The positioning shown here may indicate rowing while standing up, as the fwd man is going to break his teeth if he misses a stroke.

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                        • Peerie Maa
                          Old Grey Inquisitive One
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 62453

                          #27
                          Re: pilot coble

                          Originally posted by Canoeyawl
                          There will be no feathering of the oars on White Star. Perhaps there is some logic to do with surf, breaking bars and etc?
                          In rough water catching a crab can be darn near lethal. The positioning shown here may indicate rowing while standing up, as the fwd man is going to break his teeth if he misses a stroke.
                          The only one who might have rowed standing was the helmsman who occasionally pushed an oar whilst steering.
                          It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                          • Chippie
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 1483

                            #28
                            Re: pilot coble

                            [QUOTE=Peerie Maa;5536229][/LEFT]

                            Legging, you forgot legging





                            Originally Posted by Chippie

                            I am anticipating some smart ass coming along and saying the pulled boats with horses/ How about punts/they paddled canoes.

                            Digressing slightly are there any more ( let's get it over with)







                            Legging, you forgot legging



                            I never classed you as a smart ass Nick.

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                            • Peerie Maa
                              Old Grey Inquisitive One
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 62453

                              #29
                              Re: pilot coble

                              [QUOTE=Chippie;5537072]
                              Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                              [/LEFT]

                              Legging, you forgot legging





                              Originally Posted by Chippie

                              I am anticipating some smart ass coming along and saying the pulled boats with horses/ How about punts/they paddled canoes.

                              Digressing slightly are there any more ( let's get it over with)







                              Legging, you forgot legging



                              I never classed you as a smart ass Nick.
                              No. but I am as happy to extract the urine as the next person.
                              It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

                              The power of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web
                              The weakness of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web.

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                              • PeterSibley
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2001
                                • 70993

                                #30
                                Re: pilot coble

                                A whole new meaning "lying down on the job"!


                                Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                                [/LEFT]

                                Legging, you forgot legging
                                '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
                                Grateful Dead

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