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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    That's certainly different from the 4:1 or even 6:1 downhauls that seem popular for balance lugsails around here. And your mainsail is pretty big (comparable to the Oughtred designs) at 100 sq ft.

    I've been using a 2:1 on my Alaska (85 sq ft), might bump that up a little this year--the standing lug wants more luff tension, I think.

    Tom
    I do use a 4:1 on the standing lug downhaul as it is the sall shaper. Now that I have gone to a bigger carbon stick the mast no longer bends when I flatten the sail. ( BTW I have a nice 18' carbon stick gathering dust if someone needs one. Would be plenty stiff enough for a smaller sail.)
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    Default Re: Just bought a 2006 Caledonia Yawl, and have a few questions...

    Without shortening the boomkin and/or coming up with a system to keep the slack from hanging off the end of the spritboom, no. The slack sheet would still lasso and wrap the boomkin, fairleads and all...


    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Wouldn't a fairlead or two on the boomkin prevent a fouled mizzen sheet? Does anyone do that? Seems like that would be pretty simple to set up.

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    Default Re: Just bought a 2006 Caledonia Yawl, and have a few questions...

    Another option would be to lengthen the boomkin, which is typical for a mizzen without a boom.

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    Rant, scream, holler: Just run the sheet along the goshdurned spritboom. No purchase, you can put a cleat on the boom, or have a block on the mast and pull it vertically down.

    If you'd like the more complex solution as is your wont. You could laminate or steam an "S" shaped boomkin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    My next issue after fixing the downhaul and keel rollers is the mizzen sheet / boomkin setup. Unless I keep the leg o' mutton sail sheeted in hard, the sheet wraps itself around the end of the boomkin where it is attached through a beehole / bee-block. Once the sheet gets two or more wraps on the boomkin, you can't control it very well.

    I know that one person suggested having a block on the end of the boomkin rather than the end of the leg o'mutton spritboom, but photos of other CY's rigs show blocks on the boom end also. Any suggestions?

    I had a similar problem on Marianita and eventually solved it by building a hollow boomkin. Her mizzen boom is significantly longer than the boomkin, I had a fair amount of success simply moving the block on the boom 6-8" aft of the end of the boomkin and the block on the boomkin as close to the end as I could get it. In your case I think shortening the boomkin would work.
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    Default Re: Just bought a 2006 Caledonia Yawl, and have a few questions...

    I could never solve the sheet-lasso problem with my mizzen. A hollow boomkin seems a very good idea and I must now find a free windsurfmast.

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    I would suspect that the modest clamour to attach the block to the boom has justification.If that is a less than favoured option,maybe something like this on the end of the boomkin might help.Its the sort of thing we used to use on Enterprises in the seventies and perhaps still do since I am less than current with the evolution of the class.


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    Default Re: Just bought a 2006 Caledonia Yawl, and have a few questions...

    That mizzen is pretty small, like 35 feet. I can't imagine it needing any blocks. The Drascombe lugger solves the problem without a boom and a bit longer boomkin. They don't foul.
    If it was mine, I would fit a conventional boom (I like the precision sail set of a gooseneck fitting) and just shorten the boomkin and lead the sheet through a beehole. my own yawl uses mid boom sheeting to thevstern stem and no boomkin. I abandoned that idea as a nuisance.


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    No matter what you do with the bit that runs along the boomkin, whether along the boomkinor in a hollow boomkin the bit that usually fouls is the bit that goes to the sail. Pulling it aft the way the drascombe's do it works as would mid boom sheeting. Easiest however is just keeping the slack out of the sheet. I have a clam cleat on the inboard end for instant cleating and rarely need to heavily slack the sheet unless running down wind.
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    In Edward Peason's post (No 6) the bottom photo of the Ness yawl with grey interior is my old boat.
    She was built by my late father R J Webster back in 1996 at his home at Crag foot near Silverdale in Lancashire. Named Surprise, she was not the best boat for an elderly couple & ended up in his barn for the next twenty years. When he got old & infirm he asked me to take her away & either use her or sell her.
    I sailed her for a while but could not get on with the wishbone tiller, it is the most impractical contraption ever & gets in the way constantly. I fitted the drag link system to her using two stainless steel ball joints, there was zero play & the tiller socket being just in front of the mizzen was very practical with the tiller folding up vertically in front of the mast.
    I eventually sold her as i had too many boats & not enough time!
    There was an interesting story to be told of her fitting out, I had been shopping & returning to the club in my Moggy Pick up truck came to a roundabout, In the back of the truck were the brand new tan sails for the Ness yawl several boxes of tools a heavy toolbox of spanners & a gallon tin of grey floor paint......
    As i went into the roundabout at some speed the load in the back all shifted across & as i exited the roundabout pushing the truck hard the load slid the other way. I arrived at the boat to find the toolbox had burst the gallon tin of grey paint which had then fallen over. The new sails were sitting in it. Oh the horror! It was hot & sunny & i literally cut the sailbag open with a knife. The Mainsail was unscathed but the mizzen sail was soaked in paint. I had no time & no choice so grabbed the gallon of acetone & some rags & got scrubbing, the rags ran out so i tore my shirt off & used that as well! Got away with it!
    Out of interest If the owner of Surprise would care to get in touch i have just found the wooden centreboard that Dad first used before fitting the steel one. You are welcome to it if of any use.

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    Next question: Sleeping platform design? Even though the floorboards sit flat, squeezing between the CB case and the seats is a bit tight for me to be comfortable - but doable in a particularly rolly anchorage if necessary. I checked the CY Forum but only saw some references to sleeping platforms, no photos or detailed discussion.

    For sleeping alone on the boat I'm tempted to build a set of roughly 3' slats that go from the side benches to the CB case on one side of the boat, leaving the other side open for walking and easily-accessed gear storage. These would be held together by copper-tacked-on strips of nylon webbing, and hopefully wouldn't take up too much space during the day. I'd use blue foam pads over the slats with an airbed on top -- my usual "mr. softy" camping setup these days. ;-)

    Any ideas on how this might work, or better options? The nice thing is that it would allow me to build another set of slats for the other side if I ever lure the wife aboard for the night, just making them offset from the first set of slats where they land on the other bench and CB case.
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    Default Re: Just bought a 2006 Caledonia Yawl, and have a few questions...

    Sleeping on a small boat wants the "sleeper" as low as possible in the boat. Any placement above the waterline will exaggerate moment from a passing wake, a gust of wind or whatever. I have heard many complaints in the morning from small boats with say a tent pitched on the seats, that the wind gusts kept them "up all night".
    Whenever possible try to get down to the floorboards.

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    Should be plenty of room to put your feet and knees under the rear thwart, and then aim your head toward the back bench. Lots of room in there. Ought to be plenty of room for a thermarest, too. No platform needed. I'm sure you could roll over, etc, in that formation.
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    I would be sorely tempted to make that center thwart quickly removable. No, in fact I would do it...
    Using bolts and wingnuts or cleats and wedges (knees and wedges?) or something equally clever perhaps as it needs to ridgidly support the centerboard case when sailing. Maybe just half the thwart, bronze hinges? If the floors are strong and well fastened to the case this could work.
    Didn't Mssr. McMullen do something like this?

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    Default Re: Just bought a 2006 Caledonia Yawl, and have a few questions...

    An option, that I have built but not tested extensively (only cat naps, not overnight ) is a "v-berth" forward between the center thwart and the mast partner. The platform is made of 2 slats each side that mimic the curve of the side thwarts (in fact they were side thwarts until I built in side tanks and re-purposed them). It does have you sleeping at thwart height, but I found the space on the floorboards by the CB trunk to be too narrow. One can tent/tarp the forward half and leave the aft half open for cooking, lounging etc.

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    Default Re: Just bought a 2006 Caledonia Yawl, and have a few questions...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Next question: Sleeping platform design? Even though the floorboards sit flat, squeezing between the CB case and the seats is a bit tight for me to be comfortable - but doable in a particularly rolly anchorage if necessary. I checked the CY Forum but only saw some references to sleeping platforms, no photos or detailed discussion.

    For sleeping alone on the boat I'm tempted to build a set of roughly 3' slats that go from the side benches to the CB case on one side of the boat, leaving the other side open for walking and easily-accessed gear storage. These would be held together by copper-tacked-on strips of nylon webbing, and hopefully wouldn't take up too much space during the day. I'd use blue foam pads over the slats with an airbed on top -- my usual "mr. softy" camping setup these days. ;-)

    Any ideas on how this might work, or better options? The nice thing is that it would allow me to build another set of slats for the other side if I ever lure the wife aboard for the night, just making them offset from the first set of slats where they land on the other bench and CB case.
    I've done what you're suggesting on our CY and it worked fine. For us it was a good way to get four berths in a small boat. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again either. I also like the hinged thwart idea to make it easier to actually stretch out on the floor boards.
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    Picked up a free futon frame on craigslist and cut it up for parts. The side rails should make great bed boards, and I'll tack them together with old nylon webbing so the bundle can roll up for transport. We'll have to see if I roll off the whole thing with boat wakes and/or swell...



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    Finished - it lashes fore and aft to the side benches and thwart cleats, with the webbing holding the boards 7" apart. As above, we'll see if sleeping that high up results in a poor experience...


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