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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    If I build this boat (big if), it would be to live aboard and visit many areas that have less than 6 feet of draft.
    It would be 40 feet and have a 1/2 inch thick bottom and 3/16 sides. All other areas would be 10ga. or 1/8 inch. Maybe a ketch rig if money allows for all the extra rigging parts.
    That seems *very* light scantlings for a 40' boat. The 17 foot Welsford boat I built was more solid - 1/2" bottom panel, 3/8" lapstrakes/bulkheads/seat tops, 1/4" decking.
    If I was to build one again, I'd go up to 9mm on the deck. The foredeck had more flex than I was comfortable with, and that was glassed one side, curved, well supported - and I only weigh 160lb.
    If "all your other areas" were only 1/8", it would literally be like walking on eggshells.
    To put this into perspective, the time I found the only rock in our local lake, puttering along at walking pace, it had a damn good attempt at punching through a glassed 3/8" plank. You're considering something more than twice the size, with half the material thickness - I can't help but think that built like that, it couldn't be anything but extremely fragile.

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    ^^^^ Steel,quite likely.
    1/2" for the bottom would be too thick.
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    Reminds me of Hogfish Maximus, although from memory she was a little beamier. Looks pretty good to me, but then I am quite partial to sharpies.

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    I think the keel is fixed too. If it was retractable they would store it retracted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    I am not sure what you are trying to say by mentioning that the keel is not in line with the center of the boat.
    I believe that that centerboard keel can raise and lower. See how the zincs are positioned on the keel? I believe the keel raises up to just above those zincs. OK.... Brittany
    If you are protecting an area of steel with anodes, the anodes should be near the centre of the area. That is all.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    I think the keel is fixed too. If it was retractable they would store it retracted.
    Maybe many not. But if that keel was completely retracted in the while the boat was in the water, I think the boat would turn turtle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Meachen View Post
    Yet the keel looks symmetrical at it's root.I also can't see the keel being retractable with those anodes in place,maybe a reduction in draft if partly retracted but not shoal draft by most standards.
    The keel would not retract more than the depth of the rudder. No need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    Maybe many not. But if that keel was completely retracted in the while the boat was in the water, I think the boat would turn turtle.
    The keel cannot completely retract because the anodes would hit the bottom of the boat.
    The keel would not need to retract more than the depth of the rudder.
    Even if the keel was fully retracted the boat would not turn turtle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    I think the keel is fixed too. If it was retractable they would store it retracted.
    The keel would not be retracted all the way because the keel needs to be cleaned and get a new coat of bottom paint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    That seems *very* light scantlings for a 40' boat. The 17 foot Welsford boat I built was more solid - 1/2" bottom panel, 3/8" lapstrakes/bulkheads/seat tops, 1/4" decking.
    If I was to build one again, I'd go up to 9mm on the deck. The foredeck had more flex than I was comfortable with, and that was glassed one side, curved, well supported - and I only weigh 160lb.
    If "all your other areas" were only 1/8", it would literally be like walking on eggshells.
    To put this into perspective, the time I found the only rock in our local lake, puttering along at walking pace, it had a damn good attempt at punching through a glassed 3/8" plank. You're considering something more than twice the size, with half the material thickness - I can't help but think that built like that, it couldn't be anything but extremely fragile.

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    We are talking about steel ,not wood.

    I have been in a steel sharpie 30ft. and it got on rocks. It got beat so bad that I had to get off the boat.
    When the boat was hauled out later there was only one bad dent in the bottom. The dent was where a frame and longitudnal intersected.
    The dent was as deep as my fist. It was 1/4 inch steel plate. The lesson was ,do not weld frames to the bottom,just longitudnals.
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    I think the bridge in this photograph is rather like that in the earlier boat shots-but taken from the other side.Its a town called Plerin in Brittany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    We are talking about steel ,not wood.

    I have been in a steel sharpie 30ft. and it got on rocks. It got beat so bad that I had to get off the boat.
    When the boat was hauled out later there was only one bad dent in the bottom. The dent was where a frame and longitudnal intersected.
    The dent was as deep as my fist. It was 1/4 inch steel plate. The lesson was ,do not weld frames to the bottom,just longitudnals.
    All good! You had me worried
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    This looks somewhat similar:
    http://mills-design.com/project/38-s...cruiser-racer/

    Quote Originally Posted by wsgilliam View Post
    A google reverse of the photo gets me this: https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/f...g.26770/page-5
    Which may be where you saw it in the first place. Quite an obscure mystery.

    Edit: also depicted here
    http://forum.katera.ru/index.php?/to...o-znaet/page-4

    Norwalk Island Sharpies come to mind as does a sleeked up AS29. It may be a one off or some modern adaptation of Chapelle.
    With a little help from Google Translate, which can be a bit off... The Russian site's comments were interesting, if useless.
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    И оставте вы уже этих глупостей - обтекаемые обводы ...
    And leave you already these nonsense - streamlined contours ...
    As the Apotheosis [Epitomy?] of Fletti, I suggest Colleagues to rejoice:

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    Из шарпи Звездник самый замечательный !
    From Sharpie Starry is the most wonderful!
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    I do not like racing boats.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Dave View Post
    This looks somewhat similar:
    http://mills-design.com/project/38-s...cruiser-racer/



    With a little help from Google Translate, which can be a bit off... The Russian site's comments were interesting, if useless.
    В качестве Апофеоза Флетти, предлагаю Коллегам порадоваться:
    И оставте вы уже этих глупостей - обтекаемые обводы ...
    And leave you already these nonsense - streamlined contours ...
    As the Apotheosis [Epitomy?] of Fletti, I suggest Colleagues to rejoice:

    Reply:
    Из шарпи Звездник самый замечательный !
    From Sharpie Starry is the most wonderful!
    Haha yes, useless. But it is the most wonderful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    No I do not think so. I think the keel is of center for interior accomodations.
    That picture has definitely been taken off centre. Measure the visible waterlines left and right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    Donald,
    Even at 40' she is going to be smallish inside. I like that size boat, but something 10' to 12' in beam with head room would suit me much better. I imagine your thinking this will be a pretty fast boat though.
    I have to agree with navydog here.
    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    The picture was probably taken a few inches off center. It would create that effect.
    Agree again. Just measure each side on the screen from stem to side of the boat. The right side is much narrower, so it is either horribly asymmetric or the photographer was standing off center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    The picture was probably taken a few inches off center. It would create that effect.
    sounds logical... seeing that the mast is "off center" as well!

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    I think John has it right. I can't quite match the backdrop, but it does look like Plérin/ St. Brieuc in N. Brittany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew2 View Post
    I think John has it right. I can't quite match the backdrop, but it does look like Plérin/ St. Brieuc in N. Brittany.
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    Thanks Andrew2, maybe I will get closer to finding some info on that boat.
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    Hi Donald, I used to chat when I was Andrewe when you were building the 19ft sailboat. Did you get any feedback on the Honda instalation?
    Get busy with Google translate and the French sites, probably pop up pretty quickly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew2 View Post
    Hi Donald, I used to chat when I was Andrewe when you were building the 19ft sailboat. Did you get any feedback on the Honda instalation?
    Get busy with Google translate and the French sites, probably pop up pretty quickly...
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    Yes Andrew2, I did get some interesting feedback. I had to move so I gave the boat away. It went to the perfect person. That person really appreciated the boat.
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    Glad to hear it.
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