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    This afternoon a friend Bob set off with his brother Gary to take his 40 foot "Ray of Sunshine" fifteen nautical miles north to a boatyard. The plan was to spend a week on the hard and get a bit of work done then a few days on Moreton Bay. I helped drop the lines and wave them off with an enjoy the trip. I then went back to Redwing to continue with the cramped job of painting under the cockpit. Getting high on the fumes from the high build primer an sms comings through on the phone. It's code 3 call out, I ignore it because I'm not on duty and there should be a duty crew...I keep painting. "Gary Gary you there? "It's Gil a live aboard a few boats up and a fellow Marine Rescue volunteer. " Bob's lost his rudder on the bar and is in trouble. No time to don uniform it's don shoes and at least grab my cap. Paint splattered shorts and t shirt, oh well may be the life jacket will hide it.
    Get shed open and start prepping Point Danger 30 while we wait for the skipper.
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    30 Is an 11.3 metre NIAD RIB with twin 300HP Suzukis and weighs around 5 tonne.
    Courtney is next to turn up and starts loading Defib, battery kit, satphone and the bits we have to have on board that require being on charge. I fill out the logbook and radio the tower with our status and crew list. Martin the skipper arrives. Lifejackets and personal EPIRBS are put on, we have the engine down and running so just a matter of dropping the lines. Clear astern and it's round past the trawlers, the Ivory marina and into Boyd's Bay. From there it's Teranorra Creek and note which side the dredge has the diamonds...as Courtney says "Black balls bad."
    House boat dithering along where the channels narrows just where it enters the river. It's clear to port and Martin pushes the throttles forward and we leave the houseboat rocking in our wake. Down stream past Kerosene Inlet and the Jack Evans Boat Harbour and we see Ray of Sunshines mast out past the north breakwater. There's white water and breaking waves on the bar...it's rough but keep the speed down the bow into it and it's behind us. Well sort of because the shoal ground extends out a way and Ray of Sunshine is in amongst it. I'm kneeling on the back deck flacking out towline, Gil is preparing a heaving line to throw and Courtney is on radio with tower and Ray of Sunshine. Martin steers us out wide around the stern and up the starboard side of Ray of Sunshine and inform Bob we will come up on the their port side. We have a bridle clipped to the towline and the heaving line clipped to the bridle. Ray of Sunshine has a bowsprit so we need to use the bridle which will attach both sides of the bow.
    We have to do a couple of passes before Bob grabs the heaving line and while they plunge up and down off our starboard quarter they get the line attached. Ray of Sunshine weighs 18 tonne with a full keel so it takes a bit to get her turned. At one point I yell to the the skipper to watch his angle...we lose stability forward of the quarter as you can imagine. If this boat capsizes she stays that way. Martin gets her pointed in the right direction though.
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    And we get ourselves a bit of searoom to get her pointed at the river mouth. Bob has streamed a drogue to try and limit the risk of a broach on the bar. I'm on the towline and Gil is giving advice to Martin on the helm as well start the run in.
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    At one point Ray of Sunshine lifted her skirts on a wave and attempted a broach to starboard and a gunwale almost in the water but Martin managed to get her back on course.
    The photo only shows the start, it got a bit busy.
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    Once back in the river everything calmed down and we were able to shorten the tow and once into a bit of wide water we rafted up Ray of Sunshine on our starboard side.
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    From there back to the dock was easy stuff.
    And that was my afternoon.
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    The problem was Hydraulics.
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    A job very well done- great work by all.
    And probably your paintbrush had gone hard in your absence 😉


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    Well done you and your mates!

    Thanks for being there and for the seamanship shown.

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    Better way to get high than breathing paint fumes....helping a friend and saving a fine boat!
    (I really thought this was going to end badly)

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    And you did all this while being off your nut on xylene fumes? Good on yer! Towing a boat in breaking bar conditions must be one of the most difficult things. I had a friend who skippered an Arun 52 Class RNLI type, and he said the big stern on that was a problem at low speed, while towing in surfy conditions. Apart from that, it could/would and had run at 25 knots into absolutely anything.
    Unusual for hydraulics to fail. Air ,leak or something like a seized piston? Out of curiosity.

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    Ahhh... don't give him TOO much praise. He's used to being off his nut on xylene fumes, eh?

    OK seriously... Great work by all. Kudos to you, and the whole crew. From all of us who have gotten into a spot of trouble out there... thanks for being there!
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    Sounds to me like friends Bob and Gary owe you a paintbrush and a couple of hours under your cockpit while you lounge with a cool one. God on yez

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    I had to get towed the day I launched Redwing so know what it’s like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaraborgcraft View Post
    And you did all this while being off your nut on xylene fumes? Good on yer! Towing a boat in breaking bar conditions must be one of the most difficult things. I had a friend who skippered an Arun 52 Class RNLI type, and he said the big stern on that was a problem at low speed, while towing in surfy conditions. Apart from that, it could/would and had run at 25 knots into absolutely anything.
    Unusual for hydraulics to fail. Air ,leak or something like a seized piston? Out of curiosity.
    I’ll let you know when I find out.
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    Well done!

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    Good Job!! You and your crew can be proud of a job well done.
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    Goodonyer. I've had to use an emergency tiller twice, luckily I had plenty of tme on one occasion and sea room on the second occasion.

    It's never a good option, better is an autopilot on its own tiller, I've done that twice too.

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    Well done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Good Job!! You and your crew can be proud of a job well done.
    We're pretty chuffed.
    Just heard Bob has bought us a carton of beer as a thank you...looking forward to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Good Job!! You and your crew can be proud of a job well done.
    We're pretty chuffed.
    Just heard Bob has bought us a carton of beer as a thank you...looking forward to that.
    Ray of Sunshine has cruised New Zealand and the Pacific and has also circumnavigated Australia. On one trip from Hobart to NZ she was knocked down twice at 45 degrees south and had to return to Hobart.
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    Finastkind.

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    Yeah , well done .

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    Well done Gary and crew, we need you !
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    Very impressed Gary! Well done to you and the crew.
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    Well done and well reported.. The guys on the yacht probably new jocks.

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    You can see the broach start at 3.17 into the video. This is the Duranbah surfcam.
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    Yuck. You can keep your bars over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Yuck. You can keep your bars over there.
    It’s not always like that...sometimes it’s worse. Seriously though pick a flood tide and it can be flat as.
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    It truly is all in the timing. The bar here on the Columbia River can be like a lake or....

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    [QUOTE=Hugh MacD;5519849]It truly is all in the timing. The bar here on the Columbia River can be like a lake or....

    We dropped off the back of a 4-5 metre wave one day and my feet lifted off the deck. They can get short and shark real quick at times.
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    Living where I do and boating in the manner I enjoy means that I'll likely never have to do a bar crossing. But I'm curious how it's done and how one learns the skill required. My wife and I visited the Columbia Maritime Museum in Astoria last December and enjoyed the exhibits. The one of the rescue boat in its "habitat" is especially impressive. The exhibits seemed to stress the importance of seamanship, proper equipment, and local knowledge. I can't recall an exhibit that explained how the bar crossing is achieved safely. Can anyone point me in a direction.

    I'll reiterate... I'm not about to take my boat, or any boat, over a bar. I'm just curious how one prepares and practices for this rather formidable task. Were I to be magically dropped into a boat outside the Columbia bar, I'd be hoping I had fuel enough to sit there till the next good tide. Or perhaps that's wishful thinking?

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    For the Columbia, when I like to cross depends on which way I'm going. If I'm incoming I try to time my approach for low slack tide; about an hour after "low" tide. Depending on the season (spring freshet or fall with low runoff) it'll vary somewhat. That allows you to get through the jetty channel in quite flat water and as the tide starts in it'll sweep you toward Astoria and through the narrows before the incoming tide and outgoing current start raising peaks. Outgoing I try (if possible) to do the opposite so the ebb carries me well past any turbulent zones. The key is to try to hit that "slack" zone. Since Astoria is about ten miles from the bar proper, timing is everything. 'Course, I've seen some pretty interesting currents around your "Island West of Seattle", too! I've run the gauntlet on an incoming tide at Race Rocks more than once which has its own perils and Active Pass is a whole different thing!

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    Ideally you want a flood tide. Going out keep the bow into the waves and your speed down, no more than ten knots if it’s rough. The ideal is to keep the boat in the water, it can hurt when you drop off the back of a wave. I know a bloke who broke both legs. Coming back in you need to pick a wave and sit on the back of it and your speed will need to be around 14-15 knots. That is assuming you are in a power boat, in a yacht the waves will overtake you and you really have to watch you don’t broach. In my 24 footer I would go near the bar if there were breaking waves, flat or low swell for me.
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    Which means sometimes you have to stay out, or in, for a week, or a month or two, as far as I can make out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Which means sometimes you have to stay out, or in, for a week, or a month or two, as far as I can make out.
    Yes, after the flood last March the bar was really dangerous. We had to save a number of people who tried to cross in 5 metre tinnies.
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    St Helens down in North East Tassie is a beautiful harbour, but pretty much impassable these days as I understand it. The local cruising guide says to call the coast guard or whatever for an escort in. But most times they say, nah mate, too dangerous. Well they did when we sailed past anyway. Germane to Peters small cruiser thread, you really do have to face the prospect of being stuck out on the East Coast of Aus for days, unless, as you say, you are in a boat that can power in at 15 knots or so.

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    15 knots is about wave speed.
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    This was one of our lumpy crossings.
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