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    Default An offshore capable trailer boat ?

    Does such a thing exist? I don't mean a globe girdler rather a boat capable of extended along shore passages but with the ability to return home via trailer if the need arose.
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    Default Re: An offshore capable trailer boat ?

    Plenty of boats in the 20-24' range would be able to meet that requirement I feel. Also, 40 footers are trailerable, but you have to hire the trailer! Maybe not a big deal if its just once at the end of a bucket-list voyage.

    What construction method and type are you considering?

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    Default Re: An offshore capable trailer boat ?

    How about Oughtred's Grey Seal or Roan Mhor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foerster View Post
    How about Oughtred's Grey Seal or Roan Mhor?
    Yes, the best so far ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Yes, the best so far ..
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    and Eel! a historic hull.


    and of course... Centennial.

    certainly off shore capable... with the original having a trans Atlantic crossing under it's belt in 1876!

    "off shore"

    waiting for the tide to trailer back from Gloucester
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    A photo of her now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    A photo of her now.

    wonderful, living history... very cool.

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    Is it wrong if the first phrase that came to mind was "Dana 24"? Probably not.
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    That is pretty much the design brief for the Eun Mara
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    Default Re: An offshore capable trailer boat ?

    Well there's the Folkboat and it's derivatives.

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    They're not readily trailerable, but they don't need very special equipment or permits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    Well there's the Folkboat and it's derivatives.
    The folkboat was a first thought to my mind, although the full keel makes launching interesting unless you are sure you have a deep/steep enough ramp, crane, or one heck of a long tounge extension on the trailer.

    So I would add the qualifier of where and how you want to launch for this question as well. As you could end up with a fully trailerable boat that you can't actually get off the trailer into the water in all places.

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    There's many of them; anything from Hunter 19s to Noelex 30s to Hobie 33s. They've done Transatlantics, Sydney-Hobarts and Transpacs respectively.

    Hunter 19s.jpg

    Noelex.jpg

    Hobie 33.jpg

    To be honest I have to think that when it comes to trailerable boats, the classics must be compromised in some respects by their extra displacement, all else being equal. And around Peter's coastline the slightly lower speed could also be problematic due to the fact that almost all the entrances are over river bars, so one has to follow the schedule of the tides, often while fighting a current.

    Of course, if the heart desires a classic it's a different matter.

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    L Francis Herreshoff's "Carpenter" (18', there are longer versions) might be just the thing is you want seriously seaworthy.



    She has a flat dory bottom so you can draw her up on a beach with rollers. Easily made suitable to sleep aboard and do all necessaries under a tent whether ashore or anchored out. And a very capeable exploration boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    L Francis Herreshoff's "Carpenter" (18', there are longer versions) might be just the thing is you want seriously seaworthy.



    She has a flat dory bottom so you can draw her up on a beach with rollers. Easily made suitable to sleep aboard and do all necessaries under a tent whether ashore or anchored out. And a very capeable exploration boat.
    Hope this is not to much drift. Serious question, what attributes make the carpenter sea worthy while the carpenter based sea pearl is not? I don't see plans online. Is it beamier, a better rudder, ballasted differently? I've never sailed a carpenter but have spent some time in the pearl and followed her discussions and adventures a bit. She will broach on you pretty easily in modest following seas. While a good boat for her intended purpose, I've never heard her described as sea worthy.

    Or are they equally capable and I simply need to be a better sailor?

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    How about Glenn L. Witt's Amigo? http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/amigo.html . She's billed as a "trailerable offshore cruiser", but you'd need a good ramp and maybe a trailer tongue extension to launch her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alkorn View Post

    How about Glenn L. Witt's Amigo? http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/amigo.html . She's billed as a "trailerable offshore cruiser", but you'd need a good ramp and maybe a trailer tongue extension to launch her.
    Yes , you are right about the good ramp and trailer extension.
    I launched and retrieved a Grey Seal a number of times , and I certainly needed both.
    And the Seal is nowhere near as deep as the Amigo.
    Another issue in practical terms.
    A lot of these boat ramps launch and retrieve big horsepower outboard offshore recreational fishing boats , that push up big sandbanks back off the ramp a bit.
    So you have to have the ability to push your trailered boat over the sandbar , to get it out.
    And again , to retrieve.
    Or work on a good high tide.
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    This is an offshore capable plywood trailer boat design https://bartenderboats.com/product/22-timbercoast/ .
    That is what I would have built.
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    Default Re: An offshore capable trailer boat ?

    We used to have Noelex 30's here, until all the Aussies bought them up and took them away, presumably for all those bar ports and estuaries you have .

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    Default Re: An offshore capable trailer boat ?

    Wharram Tiki 21 or 26 as an 'alternative' choice?

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    Daniel, do you know if the Holmes Eel plans are available anywhere ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Daniel, do you know if the Holmes Eel plans are available anywhere ?
    I think you may be looking at them... not sure about offsets... these folk may be able to help.

    http://www.canoeyawl.org/?p=149

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Must be one of those lost in translation things.To me Offshore means leaving, going to sea and staying there on the way to another country.
    We mostly do coastal trips here and anchor at night. Thats coastal sailing , not offshore, even if we're 20 miles out on the way.
    You talk about an offshore capable yacht here you're talking about one that can go to Tonga.
    Or Hobart from Brisbane though Honiara seems a reasonable goal too. Bass Strait seems to have it's own requirements .... unless you are lucky and have the time to wait for the perfect window..
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    Default Re: An offshore capable trailer boat ?

    The trailer cruiser is what I am interested in as well. Short list so far is Rohn Mohr, or a stretched Welsford Penguin. I need a berth with memory foam and a little room. Now I have to look into this Eel, I like it.

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    Must be one of those lost in translation things.To me Offshore means leaving, going to sea and staying there on the way to another country.
    We mostly do coastal trips here and anchor at night. Thats coastal sailing , not offshore, even if we're 20 miles out on the way.
    You talk about an offshore capable yacht here you're talking about one that can go to Tonga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Must be one of those lost in translation things.To me Offshore means leaving, going to sea and staying there on the way to another country.
    We mostly do coastal trips here and anchor at night. Thats coastal sailing , not offshore, even if we're 20 miles out on the way.
    You talk about an offshore capable yacht here you're talking about one that can go to Tonga.
    It does seem to be a translation issue; here "offshore" is outside a harbour. I tend to think that the shape of many of our harbours, ports and rivers means that there's a more sudden transition between "inshore" and "offshore" which may affect the terminology, and along much of the coast there's a ground swell almost all of the time that makes it feel very different to sailing off some places in the UK, Europe or USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    It does seem to be a translation issue; here "offshore" is outside a harbour. I tend to think that the shape of many of our harbours, ports and rivers means that there's a more sudden transition between "inshore" and "offshore" which may affect the terminology, and along much of the coast there's a ground swell almost all of the time that makes it feel very different to sailing off some places in the UK, Europe or USA.
    so true, and so much depends on the weather and weather paterns... Here on the Northshore of Massachusetts we typically get a couple days warning from modern weather services before a big blow, in previous generations this was not so.

    but when sailing waters capable of these conditions it is wise to stay alert.

    Here's the Marine forecast for our last Noreaster, these are my typical sailing grounds... scary stuff
    Seas are reported as significant wave height, which is the average of the highest third of the waves. Individual wave heights may be more than twice the significant wave height.

    Massachusetts Bay And Ipswich Bay-
    Tonight

    NE winds 15 to 20 kt with gusts up to 25 kt, increasing to 20 to 25 kt with gusts up to 40 kt after midnight. Seas 4 to 7 ft. A chance of rain this evening, then rain after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Vsby 1 to 3 nm, decreasing to 1 nm or less after midnight.


    Fri

    NE winds 25 to 35 kt with gusts up to 50 kt, increasing to 35 to 45 kt with gusts up to 65 kt in the afternoon. Seas 16 to 21 ft. Patchy fog. Rain. Vsby 1 nm or less.


    Fri Night

    N winds 35 to 45 kt. Gusts up to 65 kt, decreasing to 55 kt after midnight. Seas 21 to 26 ft. Patchy fog. Rain. Vsby 1 nm or less.


    Sat

    N winds 25 to 35 kt with gusts up to 50 kt. Seas 17 to 22 ft. A chance of rain.


    Sat Night

    N winds 25 to 30 kt, diminishing to 20 to 25 kt after midnight. Gusts up to 40 kt. Seas 12 to 17 ft.


    Sun

    N winds 20 to 25 kt with gusts up to 40 kt. Seas 10 to 15 ft.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    It does seem to be a translation issue; here "offshore" is outside a harbour. I tend to think that the shape of many of our harbours, ports and rivers means that there's a more sudden transition between "inshore" and "offshore" which may affect the terminology, and along much of the coast there's a ground swell almost all of the time that makes it feel very different to sailing off some places in the UK, Europe or USA.
    It's really because it's a long way to Tonga.

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    What about a Scamp? We really get great weather information these days so you could sail a Scamp in short hops along our coast. There are plenty of places to stop in the right weather - plan accordingly! Quick and economical to build, good strong little boat that can be dragged onto a beach. Tour the Clarence, Myall Lakes, Pt Stephens, Hawkesbury, Sydney Harbour, Gippsland Lakes or go north.

    Assuming you don't want to sail to Tonga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    What about a Scamp?
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    Rick, it doesn't sound like you have read Howard Rice's story of his adventure, in a specially modified SCAMP, down the Strait of Magellan from Patagonia into Tierra del Fuego. Short version: Exhausted by one crisis after another, it almost killed him. He was rescued by the Chilean Navy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Noto View Post
    Rick, it doesn't sound like you have read Howard Rice's story of his adventure, in a specially modified SCAMP, down the Strait of Magellan from Patagonia into Tierra del Fuego. Short version: Exhausted by one crisis after another, it almost killed him. He was rescued by the Chilean Navy.

    Note that when the "event" happened, he was at anchor in an inlet that offered shelter from any normal foul weather, it was a series of tornadoes, a phenomena unique to that area of the world and known to have wrecked large fishing boats that rolled the boat over, he righted her twice, but was then thrown away from the boat by a third, and swam ashore as he was unable to get back to the boat in the severe winds.
    Note that the boat was recovered a week later, undamaged.

    While I dont in any way suggest that a SCAMP is suited to use as an offshore boat, its small size was not a factor in this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    It's really because it's a long way to Tonga.

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    I see what you did there. New Caledonia then. Baguettes and cheese...mmmm.

    Norwalk Island sharpie, I like that idea for your extended coastal trips Peter. Hop across the bars and up the estuaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Must be one of those lost in translation things.To me Offshore means leaving, going to sea and staying there on the way to another country.
    We mostly do coastal trips here and anchor at night. Thats coastal sailing , not offshore, even if we're 20 miles out on the way.
    You talk about an offshore capable yacht here you're talking about one that can go to Tonga.
    Or Hobart from Brisbane though Honiara seems a reasonable goal too. Bass Strait seems to have it's own requirements .... unless you are lucky and have the time to wait for the perfect window..
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    Yes, I've been there before but the "Holmes" tab won't open ...... h'mmm nothing seems to open on that site.
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    Peter, where were you intending to use her? If it's around your neck of the woods you're going to be facing 50 nm passages sometimes against a couple of knots of set, aren't you? Given the speed of canoe yawls, that could mean some singlehanded overnight coastal passages which can be tricky things. It would also mean a boat that can push fast-running river currents under motor, which means probably a 5 hp motor at least.

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