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    We met a guy cruising the pacific in his folk oat back in 1974. In Tonga. Not ideal, but he was having a great time of it.

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    I would love to cruise around Tonga in our Folkboat. I just wouldn't want to go from here to there in our Folkboat ..... But, sure, there are worse options. A Dragon f'r instance .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    I dont know where you sail Tink, but local weather effects are a seperate issue. On the south coast here we have a particularly strong sea breeze in the summer to amplify or negate inshore winds, with changes in wind strength at the downdraft offshore. If thats happening, i'd reccommend this recent book by Alan Watts. From it you can predict when andif it will kick in. If you near any mountains that will cause some big local effects too. Its a very good read for a dinghy cruiser.

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    Hope it gets me a better understanding of why I frequently get forecast inaccuracies like this (true vs forecast).





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    Well that could be the Solent in the Summer on a blue sky day. 10-15 knots we leave on a jolly down the Solent, turn around as the tide turns then find we have an inshore mid afternoon seabreeze amplifying the south westerly locally to 20-30 knots on the beat back home against a 4 knot ebb tide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Really good advice.

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    Whats that program , Tink? I presume the forecast is the blue line?

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    Phil Y, was it Mike Bailes in "Jellicle" you met in Tonga? He was areal character, ex submariner R.N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Whats that program , Tink? I presume the forecast is the blue line?
    https://wind.willyweather.co.uk/ne/t...pon--tyne.html

    Willy Weather Blue is forecast but you have to be careful the forecast is dynamic. When you look at 0600 wind at 1200 may be 10 knots, you then look at 1800 and the forecast plot for 1200 may have change to 15 knots.

    Obviously the closer to the true time the forecast becomes more accurate and the blue plot line is always the most recent forecast. I am a visual person and like to see a 3 day graph of the wind rather than a whole bunch of numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayman View Post
    Phil Y, was it Mike Bailes in "Jellicle" you met in Tonga? He was areal character, ex submariner R.N.


    Yes I think it may have been. The name sounds familiar. I was only 12 at the time so can't be sure. He'd broken his boom at some stage and had a varnished branch straight off the tree in its place. The cabin was insulated with styrofoam and black from using kero to preheat the Primus stove.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I would love to cruise around Tonga in our Folkboat. I just wouldn't want to go from here to there in our Folkboat ..... But, sure, there are worse options. A Dragon f'r instance .....

    Rick


    We spent 6 months in Tonga and Fiji on my dads 23 footer. Back then there was no limit on personal baggage on cruise ships. We initially hired a car trailer planning to tow the boat to Sydney then load it onto the Oriana I think as baggage. It turned out to be too heavy for the trailer so we got a backload on a truck. All a bit frantic as the cruise was booked. The ship craned her straight into the water in Nukualofa. Maybe she qualifies as an offshore capable trailer boat. Almost.


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    Fantastic! What a great adventure!

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    Been mentioned a few times...

    https://yachthub.com/list/boats-for-...-nis-26/208619

    Glad to see delivery is included in the price....

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    I went to the Wooli River today, which is around the southern end of Peter's cruising area if I'm correct. Marine Rescue said the bar (which is, I think outside the breakwaters and therefore exposed to the full swell) has silted and is now only 70cm deep. It still looked better than Nambucca or Bellinger rivers, but it may indicate the issue with access to these waters.
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    That wouldn't be fun at all!
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    see if this works... were dealing with much the same thing at many of our river mouths, luckily we still have Portsmouth, Gloucester, Salem, Boston, and Portland, as well as the Isle O Shoals and numerous small harbors along Cape Anne and the southern coast of Maine to duck into if the surf comes up suddenly.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pl...!4d-70.7971296

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pl...!4d-70.7971296

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    for instance, here's Gloucester, outer and inner harbors.

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    I'm jealous of that coastline Daniel! But not your water temperatures.
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    Peter,

    Here's a 'possible': well...it has shoal draft, strip plank, a double ender (or counter stern option), not too wide to trailer and says 'design displacement 1 ton' for your Hilux. Might be able to fashion a cabin. Its a canoe hull, would be tight under a cabin. An inshore daysailer, but it might be 'sea worhy'enough and a base to work from. 23ft. 1'10 draft centerboard up.
    I spie space for a prop...


    Joel White's Lala

    Counter stern option.
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    That looks delightfull. Mast looks a bit tricky to set up. , may i propose a yawl rig option with tabernacle masts?

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    And you might like to add a similar looking doghouse for a cosy cabin. Not everyones taste, it took me a while to get my eyes round to the practical advantages, and now it seems like an elegant solution to headroom without boxiness.





    If you google "jollenkreuzer" images, you get the idea.

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    Agreed, some are a little "boxy" but others are quite elegant.
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    How about a lifting pop-top to minimise airdraft, avoid adding topside weight and keep proportion Broads style. Ultimate seaworthiness..no...but if its a beautiful boat...



    Something like this underway but smaller.


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    I think someone had a raised contraption on the hatch on one of the Golant Gaffers doing the Jester, at least standing headroom in one spot, its all you need when getting off the potty.....

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    Go and buy yourself a Noelex 22, and just go sailing before you get too old!

    whatever rocks your boat

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    Or an austral 20 if we are going fglass.

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    .... the Boomerang 20 was designed for offshore work. There's also the Ultimate 18, allegedly a copy.

    The Noelex 22 seems very nice but I don't think there's any in Oz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    .... the Boomerang 20 was designed for offshore work. There's also the Ultimate 18, allegedly a copy.

    The Noelex 22 seems very nice but I don't think there's any in Oz.


    Designed for "offshore work", in what way Chris?
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    Eric Maizey designed them to fit Category 3 (offshore overnight) regulations, so they are strongly self-righting and have the right cockpit drains, watertight integrity and structural strength. Some were raced with success with JOG in overnight races, particularly on Port Phillip and Moreton Bays.

    They are not infallible (like any boat of that size putting the washboards in seems to be important when it gets really rough) but they'd be a cheap option. I used to know the Boomerang designer's son and he reckoned the Ultimate 18 was just a cut-down copy.
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    it'd be great to see interiors of some of these boats... even the F-glass ones, as this aspect of their design might be relevant to the rest of us on the Wooden boat forum!

    I'm especially curious about galleys and heads.


    here's me... during the build, testing out the focasle' of my offshore capable trailer boat.

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    IMG-20180618-WA0001.jpg Yesterday we put my fast, and yet seaworthy trailersailer on her trailer. Not sure if I will use her for trailer sailing: She will need a van for towing which is here expensive to have and I want my life simpler. But my kids think she looks cool.

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    After crossing to the North Sea, Ollie and Harry Furguson Playmobil Pirate ship 'Adventure' just crossed the Atlantic and is heading for the Grenadines...



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    I built a model Wharram cat once for my girls, about 30'' LOA. , with a Bermudian rig. It was brilliant in the surf, it could deal with quite large breaking waves (per scale).
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    But you don't want to build another cat or tri?

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    No, trailering a cat or tri is a hassle!
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