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    Default 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Well, I'm the new care taker of "Wiletie" a 1927 staysail schooner designed by E.B. Schock design # 328 built by Tom Dittmar, I have purchase the vessel from the son that his dad had restored for 20 years and he had pass away a few years ago. The schooner just needs some love to bring back to where is was 4 years ago. We have the schooner hauled out as of today and refinishing the outsides and fixing some of the rudder grunions, prop shaft, ect. ect.
    so here are some of the 50 photos i have from the dad that he colected over the years and i will start adding new ones as i do the refinishing!
    Thanks for looking,
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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    and the haul out so the work begins

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    and we sand and we sand... and we paint!

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Quote Originally Posted by wowswitch View Post
    and the haul out so the work begins

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    Nail sickness needs more than just refinishing. What have you done about the rusting fastenings?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Hi Nick, yes we have been removing them as we go along with new wood because the hull was refasten with bronze 12 years ago, I'm not sure why he did not remove them all back when it would have been the time to do it.

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    Good looking boat. I found on mine that below the waterline the iron fasteners were too far gone to pull without doing more harm than good to the planks. Perhaps the previous owner came to a similar conclusion. If the topside fasteners aren’t totally gone but are pulling hard some ospho and epoxy might seal them up adequately.
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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Lovely looking boat. Looks like she needs a bit more than a quick repaint, but you seem to be onto that. Good to see

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    I really like that hull. Keep up the good work!

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    Looks like you are using Alaskan Yellow Cedar? Good for under water terredos don't like it!
    How long is "Wiletie"? I have had good luck with slowing down rust by using a micro sand blaster and cold galvanize spray on fittings that are not removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Looks like you are using Alaskan Yellow Cedar? Good for under water terredos don't like it!
    How long is "Wiletie"? I have had good luck with slowing down rust by using a micro sand blaster and cold galvanize spray on fittings that are not removed.
    Jay
    Hi Jay
    good to know and will have to try it... "Wiletie" is 52 ft spared

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    Thanks for the spared length. What is her length between perpendiculars? Should be on the drawings.
    By the way, Alaskan Yellow is a joy to work!
    Jay
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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    She is a pretty and proper looking traditional staysail schooner. Looking forward to pictures and seeing what you have going on with her.
    I presume the new planking is the previous ownerís work?

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Hi Jay and Ned, the length on deck is 42 feet and the planking was from the previous owner, we are fixing the nail sickness and everything else that is not working... here are some shots of the hull priming and flaring.

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    I see she is a smidge larger than "Lucky Star". What a grand lady she is! That Whale pump looks like it has had it! Mine don't last either I just toss them away, bite the bullett and get another. There is a better pump available that is made of bronze but is a bit spendy, The Edson Diaphram Dump. They pump a gallon per stroke 33ga pm which is good when there is a serious leak in the bilge!
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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Hi Jay, yes a little bigger schooner, got rain this week so we cant finish the out side till next week! i did buy a plastics pump from amazon but that bronze one is really nice, i think Im going to get the bronze one!

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Take a look at this old DOT reg. from 1960 or 1973 bill of sale, you can see all the names the schooner had!

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Beautiful boat! Looking forward to seeing this project

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Quote Originally Posted by bdbFC View Post
    Beautiful boat! Looking forward to seeing this project
    Hi bdbFC, if your in SF bay its at KKMI in Richmond now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wowswitch View Post
    Hi Jay, yes a little bigger schooner, got rain this week so we cant finish the out side till next week! i did buy a plastics pump from amazon but that bronze one is really nice, i think Im going to get the bronze one!
    Yes, I have a friend that has gone around the world twice with his bronze Edsen Pump. The Bronze is good for long and reliable!
    Jay

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Quote Originally Posted by wowswitch View Post
    Hi bdbFC, if your in SF bay its at KKMI in Richmond now.
    If I get some time, I'll go by and check it out. How long do you expect her to be in the yard? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdbFC View Post
    If I get some time, I'll go by and check it out. How long do you expect her to be in the yard? Thanks!
    It will be there on land 3-30-18 and then in the water for the rigging work.

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Ok, so you know how when you try to fix one thing and then it all goes bad! well now i need to make a new prop strut...

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    I now can see why it broke... brass welded to bronze! the hole thing looks bad as we tried to replace the bearing.
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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    The bronze is suffering from galvanic corrosion, that's why it is red. Only the copper remained. Try a zinc on the new strut and see if it gets eaten.

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    The bronze is suffering from galvanic corrosion, that's why it is red. Only the copper remained. Try a zinc on the new strut and see if it gets eaten.
    yes for sure, it had none!

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    If you find a strut with the right length and diameter for your shaft. A pad can be placed under the flange to compensate for the required angles to make it mate with the hull and stay aligned with the shaft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    If you find a strut with the right length and diameter for your shaft. A pad can be placed under the flange to compensate for the required angles to make it mate with the hull and stay aligned with the shaft.
    I looked all over this town... going to make one out of 316 SS, the boat yard said it will work for now because i need to get the schooner back in the water asap its now 70 deg. here.

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    If you tack it together in place you can eliminate all the fit and alignment issues. Weld the tube and strut first, then install the cuttless. Lube the bearing and slide it up the shaft to where you want it then tack it to the strut base pressed against the hull. Slide it back off and finish your welding and grinding.

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Good call on the fabricated SS. It should last way beyond "now".

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    Ok, got the SS fitted up and tack welded... back to the shop to weld up!

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    we also finished the flaring and painting from top to bottom... good enough for now.

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    Looks great!

    Quote Originally Posted by wowswitch View Post
    Ok, got the SS fitted up and tack welded... back to the shop to weld up!

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    Default Re: 1927 Schooner "WILETIE" by E.B. Schock repair

    Be careful not to burn up the cuttless when welding the tube. You might want to knock it out of there just in case.

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    we turned a piece of alum for line up... i don't have the bearing yet!

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    "... good enough for now."
    Yea, that paint job represents a GIGANTIC effort!!
    Pat your self on the back!!
    I'm sure
    WILETIE is bustin' her buttons!

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