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    There’s this one guy who’s been in the news a lot lately. He cheated on his first wife with his second wife, his second wife with his third wife, and his third wife with a porn star—amongst just the more notable examples. How do you explain to impressionable children that this is wrong and immoral when apparently this can’t stop you from becoming rich, powerful, and influential?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James McMullen View Post
    There’s this one guy who’s been in the news a lot lately. He cheated on his first wife with his second wife, his second wife with his third wife, and his third wife with a porn star—amongst just the more notable examples. How do you explain to impressionable children that this is wrong and immoral when apparently this can’t stop you from becoming rich, powerful, and influential?
    You say people can make bad choices sometimes and what’s important is to learn from it and not do it again. The voting public made a bad choice, is learning from it and has the choice to not do it again.

    Becoming rich, powerful and influential shouldn’t be the aspirational goal for a child.

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    Well you could point out that it is not cause and effect. Cheating on wives does not guarantee success. More likely the wives will take you to the cleaners and you finish up in a bedsit.

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    This seems to be a tricky concept to put across to middle school age boys. They don’t see nuance very well yet. Instead they see THE RICH GUY can do anything he wants. There don’t seem to be consequences for him. He is not a good role model, and yet. . .he is totally getting away with it, because he’s too powerful and influential to call to task. Lots of people support him, no matter what he does. I am concerned about the lesson being taught here.

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    It's just another aspect of "Trumplandia".

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    The cat is out of the bag and the damage is done. In the end, promises mean much less than they did a year and a half ago. Our society is changed for the worse.
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    And be happy the kid wasn’t in middle school in 1998.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James McMullen View Post
    This seems to be a tricky concept to put across to middle school age boys. They don’t see nuance very well yet. Instead they see THE RICH GUY can do anything he wants. There don’t seem to be consequences for him. He is not a good role model, and yet. . .he is totally getting away with it, because he’s too powerful and influential to call to task. Lots of people support him, no matter what he does. I am concerned about the lesson being taught here.
    . You make a very good point about the value of role models and how to make good decisions when one does not bear the immediate consequences of those decisions. Instead of characterizing Trump giving a lesson to young boys as a role model why not say he’s an example of a bad role model? Power isn’t the basis for a role model but the relationship that adult has with the child. Trumps hands off approach to child rearing and denigration of men who have an active role in their childrens lives is a hell of a lesson to parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    And be happy the kid wasn’t in middle school in 1998.
    No risk of pregnancy from a bj.

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    Donalds' Imperial Powers excuse him from anything it seems………………….

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    It's not adultery when the President does it !


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    Quote Originally Posted by James McMullen View Post
    There’s this one guy who’s been in the news a lot lately. He cheated on his first wife with his second wife, his second wife with his third wife, and his third wife with a porn star—amongst just the more notable examples. How do you explain to impressionable children that this is wrong and immoral when apparently this can’t stop you from becoming rich, powerful, and influential?
    The same way you did when Clinton got away with rape, the metoo# movement would have slaughtered Bill.

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    Power, supposedly the greatest aphrodisiac, but in reality just our ancient instincts at work. The ones with power give greatest security to their genes/offspring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Yet the right turns a blind eye to Trump, after slaughtering Clinton. Imagine that.
    There are some differences but you knew that. If Trump pushed Hicks under the Resolute desk we'd have a problem, cheating on his wife, who cares, it appears not even she does.

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    I think it is simple. The Golden Rule covers the case. Do not do to others what you do not wish them to do to you.

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    Trump is approaching the issue more as a "how to" guide.
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    I think this thread raises a very valid point.

    Back when Bill Clinton got the BJ, the outrage was all over the country & he was put up for impeachment.

    Now, a serial cheater who brags about mistreating women is completely accepted. IMO, this sends a horrible message to kids & who is surprised that they are confused by this?
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    Trump's just the highest-profile example. If the news is any indication, many of of the rich and famous engage moral turpitude. So much so that it almost seems like a requirement.

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    He isn't completely accepted. In much of the country he is completely rejected. He has proven himself completely incompetent for the job he ran for and won. The fact that he was a 'bad person' was pretty much an accepted fact long before he ever ran for office. The fact that he just couldn't do the job had to be proven in time, and in just one year he's done a fantastic job of doing just that.

    It is very hard for me to believe this man will be in office another three years. I honestly felt that there would be some sort of deal where his health forced him to resign in favor of Pence, but he is such an egomaniac that by now it's become obvious that he really does believe the craziness that comes out of his mouth and that unless he is impeached, will be the president until the end of this term.
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    A friend of mine that deals with a lot of very high net worth individuals tells me this sort of behavior is commonplace among this echelon of humanity. Apparently upon reaching some level you believe that the normal rules and mores don’t apply anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James McMullen View Post
    There’s this one guy who’s been in the news a lot lately. He cheated on his first wife with his second wife, his second wife with his third wife, and his third wife with a porn star—amongst just the more notable examples. How do you explain to impressionable children that this is wrong and immoral when apparently this can’t stop you from becoming rich, powerful, and influential?
    That sounds familiar. Is it anyone I know???

    I started a thread some weeks ago about adultery statistics. It scared me to death and it continues to do so. The numbers are far higher than I ever imagined. I gained some comfort last night when my little sister (now in her late 40s) said she could not imagine cheating. Neither can I. I cannot imagine a more cowardly act than to betray the person who trusts you. But it does seem that cowards abound and some of them make it to the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    I cannot imagine a more cowardly act than to betray the person who trusts you. But it does seem that cowards abound and some of them make it to the White House.
    I knew a guy who just vanished one day. Sent an email from Australia to his wife and daughters that he was bailing. Had the good taste not to assure them of his thoughts and prayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    I knew a guy who just vanished one day. Sent an email from Australia to his wife and daughters that he was bailing. Had the good taste not to assure them of his thoughts and prayers.
    Some people just are not cut out to be husbands or fathers. Somehow, a guy who bales bothers me less than a person who cheats. Still, not father of the year material and not someone I'd care to know.

    Sometimes I wish I never learned these things. I want to think that the cheater or the baler is that very rare individual, 1 in 10,000, that is just defective. The statistics don't seem to say that, however. They are all too common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    Some people just are not cut out to be husbands or fathers. Somehow, a guy who bales bothers me less than a person who cheats. Still, not father of the year material and not someone I'd care to know.

    Sometimes I wish I never learned these things. I want to think that the cheater or the baler is that very rare individual, 1 in 10,000, that is just defective. The statistics don't seem to say that, however. They are all too common.
    I've known lots of guys and women too that were quite CS but never like that. E-mail?

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    2 of our forum members bragged about more then 100 ...hookups......

    The rest of our libs cheered and clapped and wished they could have done that as well..

    Now they are puritans all of a sudden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James McMullen View Post
    This seems to be a tricky concept to put across to middle school age boys. They don’t see nuance very well yet. Instead they see THE RICH GUY can do anything he wants. There don’t seem to be consequences for him. He is not a good role model, and yet. . .he is totally getting away with it, because he’s too powerful and influential to call to task. Lots of people support him, no matter what he does. I am concerned about the lesson being taught here.
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    BTW, are we talking about Stephen Hawking?
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    Yeadon is right, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeadon View Post
    BTW, are we talking about Stephen Hawking?
    Thankfully not, he's been put on permanent ignore.

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    Trump is a great example of how NOT to live, what NOT to aspire to. As Ann Landers once put it: "You can tell what God thinks of money by looking at those to whom he's given a lot." Success does NOT equal attaining great wealth. Thus, we have a great object lesson defiling himself in slow motion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    2 of our forum members bragged about more then 100 ...hookups......

    The rest of our libs cheered and clapped and wished they could have done that as well..

    Now they are puritans all of a sudden.
    First, I require a citation on the "libs cheered and clapped" remark. I certainly would not.

    Second, you confuse one issue with another rendering your remark irrelevant.

    Dang, now I've fed a troll and I'm ashamed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    I've known lots of guys and women too that were quite CS but never like that. E-mail?
    I can imagine a husband walking out on a cheating wife (or vice-versa), dropping a note, and never speaking to them again. However, no child deserves that and I must agree with you that there is something wrong with any parent who abandons a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    A friend of mine that deals with a lot of very high net worth individuals tells me this sort of behavior is commonplace among this echelon of humanity. Apparently upon reaching some level you believe that the normal rules and mores don’t apply anymore.
    Just so. That has been my experience as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    First, I require a citation on the "libs cheered and clapped" remark. I certainly would not.

    Second, you confuse one issue with another rendering your remark irrelevant.

    Dang, now I've fed a troll and I'm ashamed...
    You might want to walk this post back, we are talking about old dopers and everyone knows hippy chicks are easy.

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    Dam shiok, lah!
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