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    Republicans abandon tax cut message in Pa. special election

    It’s a sign they think the issue isn’t resonating — potentially a big problem in the midterms.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...blicans-458276


    Republicans backed away from their signature tax-cut law in the final days of a closely watched special House election in the Pittsburgh suburbs — even though it's the very accomplishment on which they had banked their midterm election hopes.

    Instead, GOP groups that once proudly declared the tax law would be the central fight of the midterms are now airing ads on so-called sanctuary cities and attacking Democrat Conor Lamb’s record as a prosecutor as they try to drag GOP state Rep. Rick Saccone over the finish line in Tuesday‘s election.

    The strategy shift has been dramatic.

    For the weeks of Feb. 4 and Feb. 11, roughly two-thirds of the broadcast television ads from Saccone’s campaign, the Congressional Leadership Fund super PAC and the National Republican Congressional Committee mentioned taxes, according to a POLITICO analysis of data from Advertising Analytics. For the week of Feb. 18, that dropped to 36 percent, and to 14 percent the week after. Since the beginning of March, tax ads have been essentially nonexistent. Only two are on the air now — a TV ad from America First Action, a pro-President Donald Trump super PAC that briefly mentions the tax law, and a radio ad from a progressive group attacking Saccone for supporting the law......
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    The Righties are going high shrill foam at the mouth crazy with their screaming the "liberals" are anti Christian and anti American openers of the borders to the brown hoardes.

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    Kansas, Oklahoma, the nation. Yep, building Murica with tax cuts and debt.

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    "The winner of the special election will serve out the remainder of ex-Rep. Tim Murphy’s (R) term through November. Murphy, a vocal opponent of abortion rights, resigned from the seat in October after reports that he asked his mistress to have an abortion".

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    NRA is dumping money into the race, as are lots of outside groups. Looks like a big spending disparity between the two. The R's are going all out.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/nra-drops-...opstories.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    NRA is dumping money into the race, as are lots of outside groups. Looks like a big spending disparity between the two. The R's are going all out.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/nra-drops-...opstories.html
    oh yeah, God and guns. What a bizarre base.

    from yr link:
    Outside groups have made up for Saccone’s abysmal fundraising numbers. The GOP nominee has been helped by more than $10.6 million in spending from super PACs and outside groups.

    Pro-Lamb outside groups have spent about $1.7 million.

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    Sounds like this election will be as crooked as any other. You need some International Observers.

    From some of the Sth American countries you have interfered with in the past……………………….

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    That is a good link. I like the needle meter.

    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Sounds like this election will be as crooked as any other. You need some International Observers.

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    None of what is being done is illegal.
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    With 41% of the votes counted, the NYT is fairly consistently calling a Very Close race, but with Lamb winning. Barely.
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    At last look at the NYT two seconds ago, Democrat Lamb was ahead by a decent margin.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-election.html
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    99% counted, and the Democrat up by 95 votes. Statistically even. I'm thinking no matter what the final count - it'll be close enough for a recount. Some jurisdictions have an automatic feature - but if it doesn't happen here, I bet the loser demands one anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    99% counted, and the Democrat up by 95 votes. Statistically even. I'm thinking no matter what the final count - it'll be close enough for a recount. Some jurisdictions have an automatic feature - but if it doesn't happen here, I bet the loser demands one anyway.
    No automatic recount. One needs a reason.

    6000 absentee ballots plus about 2000 more to count. 95 votes is about 1% of the remainder. So 50.5% to 49.5% on the remaining votes. We will know tomorrow.
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    And the only district not @ 100% is way ahead for the Rep.
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    The bean counters are saying it’ll probably go to Lamb.

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    A Republican win? Still mathematically possible. Just unlikely. But, hey... how likely was the D.Tramp win?

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/polit...Most+Recent%29
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    I certainly hope for a D win. But either way, the vote totals bode poorly for R's moving forward. Even after a massive infusion of cash... even in a district that voted for D.Tramp by a huge margin... look how big a swing there's been.
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    Morning Joe's earlier comments --

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...045139160.html
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    But either way, the vote totals bode poorly for R's moving forward.
    Alternatively, that it is close should be notice to lefties who still have their heads in the sand imagining the ridiculous right (aka - religious right) situation is just a small and fading group. I sincerely feel it's time (past, actually) to wake the ____ up. The BSC RWW's (of all stripes) are _not_ disappearing - fast or otherwise.

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    So the D declares victory, despite how close it is. Might be premature. But he is ahead by a few hundred votes. Republicans promise to contest a close loss --

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/live-updat...opstories.html
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    If Trumpsky hadn't barged in and held a seriously obnoxious rally, the Republican might have won.

    But voters (especially women) are sick of the bloated skunk.

    I predict he'll be pure poison by the 2018 midterms.
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    Calling it a 'gut punch to Republicans' doesn't seem hyperbolic --

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...ch-gop-n856491
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Calling it a 'gut punch to Republicans' doesn't seem hyperbolic --

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...ch-gop-n856491
    good point about the difference between Biden helping a Democrat candidate and Trump showing up to jerk off his persona all over the Republican candidate. Excellent contrast.

    from your link:

    Last week, we described the PA-18 race as a proxy fight between Trump (who campaigned for Saccone on Saturday) and former Vice President Joe Biden (who stumped for Lamb last week). Well, Biden’s side won — narrowly.

    And a Biden supporter emails us, “Lamb is the 16th Biden supported candidate to win this off-cycle. And like Lamb, they haven't been lay-ups...Alabama Senate, rural Virginia state leg races, Trump state leg districts in Florida, etc… He has already done stuff for candidates in PA, WI, MN and MI — places we need to win in both ‘18 & ‘20, plus he's traveled to places like Montana & will be in North Dakota this week, as one of the few national Dems who can actually help there. At this point, I'm not sure there's anywhere in the US that a Dem wouldn't want Biden's help, and so far, he's saying yes as much as he can.”
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    As long as republicans continue to say democrats hate the country, trump and God we should do well.
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    Looking encouraging. (source)

    Lamb’s Lead in Pennsylvania Likely to Hold
    By Ed Kilgore

    Conor Lamb claimed victory early this morning in the long-awaited special congressional election in the 18th district of Pennsylvania. While news media outlets held off on making a call, and Republican candidate Rick Saccone has refused to concede (the National Republican Congressional Committee continues to express confidence that their man will win once “every legal vote is counted”), it’s actually pretty hard to see how Saccone can overcome Lamb’s 641-vote lead.

    All 593 precincts have been counted. So have absentee ballots in the three larger counties in the district. Yes, absentee ballots have yet to be counted in low-population Greene County, but there are only an estimated 200 of them, and so far Lamb has been leading among absentee voters even in the Republican areas. There are an unknown (but pretty small) number of provisional ballots to count; those typically lean Democratic. And then there could be another tiny batch of overseas ballots, though one local expert suggested these would be “more college student semester abroad” votes than military votes.

    Yes, Saccone can request a recount, though it’s not automatic. But in places like the 18th district with touchscreen voting machines, recounts rarely change much of anything; in 2016 the Green Party obtained recounts in 52 Allegheny County precincts, and the vote totals were unchanged.

    So, frustrating as it may be for Republicans to lose by so narrow a margin, that’s where it’s headed unless they choose to muddy the waters by claiming some sort of “voter fraud” (the “every legal vote” terminology deployed by the NRCC might hint at that disreputable but hardy option). There were no signs of any irregularities on Tuesday. But that might not deter the president of the United States, who could at any moment offer his take on this election from his travels in California.
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    So... WHY were the D's successful?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats...164045575.html
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    spin, spin, spin, spin, spin...

    https://thinkprogress.org/gop-flip-f...-74ed941fe72f/


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    So the district will almost certainly disappear shortly. Does this election matter? How so?

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...144100488.html
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    It matters because the district was the result of a gerrymander intended to virtually guarantee Republican victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    It matters because the district was the result of a gerrymander intended to virtually guarantee Republican victory.

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    It was so gerryumandered that in the previous two elections democrats didn't even bother running a candidate.
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    Our current president, lying through his teeth as is his wont, now says Lamb was for the recent tax cuts ( he was against them, of course ) and sounded like a Republican to him.

    You can't make this stuff up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Of course... they are also pleading for the SCOTUS to bail them out. With its present composition... who knows what ill-considered idiocy will issue forth from them...

    Not this time !

    Supreme Court refuses to stop new congressional maps in Pennsylvania

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    The Supreme Court on Monday turned down a request from Pennsylvania Republican legislative leaders to block the implementation of a redrawn congressional map that creates more parity between the political parties in the state.
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    I would like to hear from any of our thoughtful Republicans why this is not good news.

    Interestingly, Conor Lamb's district will be redrawn, I am quite sure in time for the coming election in November. Now that Vince is in the Volunteer State, who amongst the bilge rats knows more of the intricacies of PA politics?
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