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    Default it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    unless that boat has at least one full time black crew member

    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Or the boat flies this flag (or one like it):

    "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Or a black hull, deck and spars?
    It’s really hard to define ‘virtue signalling’, as I was saying the other day to some of my Muslim friends over a fair-trade coffee in our local feminist bookshop. (Lucy Porter 2018)

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Sailing that in the midst of an Aussie summer? No thanks. You'd cook on deck.

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Yeah, but think about all the weight you saved on paint...
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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    that doesn't look fun AT ALL. (i don't mind the sail color though)

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    There is no rational, logical, or physical description of how free will could exist. It therefore makes no sense to praise or condemn anyone on the grounds they are a free willed self that made one choice but could have chosen something else. There is no evidence that such a situation is possible in our Universe. Demonstrate otherwise and I will be thrilled.

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Someone has to......


    Mullroy: Oh, and no ship that's not crewed by the damned and captained by a man so evil that Hell itself spat him back out could possibly have black sails, therefore couldn't possibly be any other ship than the Black Pearl. Is that what you're telling me?

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Paul, the people on that expensive black monstrosity don't seem to be having fun. Especially the one the is sprawled on all fours. What is the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahp View Post
    Paul, the people on that expensive black monstrosity don't seem to be having fun. Especially the one the is sprawled on all fours. What is the point?
    It gets you back ashore a bit sooner.Or it means you can get a little further away at the weekend.Since the advent of low cost airlines,that aspect has become less relevant.It also keeps a number of people gainfully employed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    unless that boat has at least one full time black crew member
    I'm sure if you shout loud enough they will listen unless the start was more than a minute ago and they are too far away to hear...

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    I have a good friend with a boat with red hull and black sails; it is very stylish looking.
    I have read that carbon fiber sails return a strong radar echo

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    My feet hurt... just thinking about it.
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    It looks like type two fun - not enjoyable at the time but good to look back on.
    Same many sports really. Tour de france looks like hell to me but they fill the field each year.

    Different strokes and all that.

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    It'd be fun for a little while, 40 knots in a sail boat. But after a couple of hours of pounding and hanging on, you'd get a bit sick of it.
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    I think that, like politics, the object isn't to have a pleasant ride, but to win regardless of how much it hurts...
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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    unless that boat has at least one full time black crew member
    Why?
    Enjoy a good rum on the rocks at sunset.

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    Enjoy a good rum on the rocks at sunset.

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Black sail 2.jpg Pics from St.Barths
    Enjoy a good rum on the rocks at sunset.

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Norfolk Wherries?

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    Lots of black sails

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    Enjoy a good rum on the rocks at sunset.

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    IMGP5438.jpgimage1.jpgFullSizeRender 2.jpg After all the hard work to build this gennaker I don't want them illegal, at least not before this one is blown out. Frank
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF View Post
    After all the hard work to build this gennaker I don't want them illegal, at least not before this one is blown out. Frank
    Epic boat FF!

    The intent of this thread, somehow missed by everyone's irony meter, was to engender a conversation on the paucity of minorities involved in sailing, especially in the united state
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Well, at least one guy on the boat is dressed in black...

    ... and where are all the hippie chicks?
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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Epic boat FF!

    The intent of this thread, somehow missed by everyone's irony meter, was to engender a conversation on the paucity of minorities involved in sailing, especially in the united state
    Missed that indeed, Paul. What comes to mind is Joe Youcha who set up a rowing program for black teenage mothers in Baltimore I think. I remember the article in WB quite well and now I am wondering if it is still going

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    How do carbon sails hold up compared to dacron? I know they have less stretch, but do they age faster?

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    Default Re: it should be illegal to put black sails on boat unless (virtue signalling pr0n)

    Laminated sails containing carbon, Kevlar, Spectra, Technora or polyester fibers sandwiched between layers of Mylar (clear polyester film) will usually wear out, or lose much of their effectiveness, faster than Dacron sails will. It will depend a lot though on both how they are made and how they are handled. Most of these fabrics have rather large spaces between the yarns, which are bridged by the Mylar layers. If the sail has sewn seams, a high percentage of the individual stitches will be going through nothing but clear Mylar and the adhesive seam basting tape. With a bit of stress, these stitch holes will tend to elongate and tear until you get to the nearest scrim yarn. The end result is eventual failure of the panel seams, which is not really fixable in any good way.

    The answer for this problem is to use a Dacron-backed seam basting tape inside the seams when the sail is made, often combined with other reinforcements made with adhesive-backed insignia Dacron fabric. The woven Dacron cloth in these thin layers is enough to keep the stitch holes from tearing. it will rather substantially increase the lifespan of the sail. The better quality laminated sails will have this sort of cloth reinforcement on every single seam. Those that don't should basically be considered disposable. When you start hearing hot shot racers saying things like "We managed to get eleven upwind legs out of that Genoa this season!" then you've met the disposable crowd. They are willing to sacrifice much for ultra light weight, and make up the difference with money next season.

    The other interesting thing about many of these Mylar/scrim laminated fabrics is that they tend to shrink with use, especially if not handled and stored (rolled) carefully. The fabric itself doesn't get smaller, the sail gets smaller. This is because rough handling tends to soften it up dramatically and put a lot of very tiny creases in the Mylar. After a fair bit of this, the sail's surface will be covered with little bitty peaks and valleys. Wind pressure when sailing generally is not enough to completely blow thee tiny creases out and the actual perimeter measurements of the sail can become measurably smaller.

    Then there is the internal abrasion factor, and I'm not sure where carbon is on that scale. Most of the laminates now use "warp sheet" technology, where the intersecting yarns are not woven (up and over, down and under, etc.). They are simply stacked up in layers (layers of north/south yarns on top of layers of east/west yarns) and covered with Mylar. By eliminating the up and down of weaving, the potential for stretch is reduced. In the early days of laminates, there were problems with the Kevlar yarns abrading each other from these north/south/east/west crossings. The switch was eventually made from Kevlar 49 to Kevlar 29 as the 29 formula yarns are less abrasive.

    Dacron sails certainly don't last forever either, but in the long run they will usually last longer than laminates.

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