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    Default The Sailing Industry Problems, self made

    Lots of lack of people wanting to sail is that it appears to most folks as out if their reach. And the boat manufacturers are largely to blame. Here is an example I came across:
    In 2014, practical sailor ran an article listing various pocket cruiser. Most of the boats were in the lower 20s as to LOD, the largest was 26. That's all fine.
    I just came across an article on Cruising World's 2017 pocket cruiser of the year: a Bavaria 34. Jeeze, a 34 foot boat is now marketed as a pocket cruiser.

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    It's a typo - it should read deep-pocket cruiser.

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    That's funny. I can't imagine there is many for profit magazines left that aren't running entirely on payola. Nice thing about the intwerweb is folks can find info on any flavor of sailing they want. Or find sailing stuff they had no idea existed. Betcha that cruising world issue has a full page or two Bavaria ad inside cover or centerfold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darroch View Post


    It's a typo - it should read deep-pocket cruiser.
    tall, skinny, glasswear on the table. heavy ceramic latching storage containers. clearly staged by non-aquatic pros.

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    Well they are not meant to leave the dock are they? And heaven forbid a mention of waves or a swell, let alone wind!
    I met a woman once who had retired with her husband from a big house to a big motor 'yacht'. Tied up cheek by jowl with various other FG craft and growing a nice crop of weed. He was at the local golf course mostly where he drank, she was stuck on a boat a long way from a town where she didn't know anyone and drank.
    I was rowing a boat round the moorings having a sticky. She offered champagne, I offered lunch and rowed her round to the restaurant.
    Rather sad really. I wonder how that ended up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I wonder how that ended up.
    Yeah , that is rather sad. Maybe even more common than one may think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I was rowing a boat round the moorings having a sticky.

    What's a sticky?

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    I feel most people think they need a boat bigger or better than this they are kidding themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    I feel most people think they need a boat bigger or better than this they are kidding themselves.


    Those run $70 to $120K used

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    Quote Originally Posted by darroch View Post


    It's a typo - it should read deep-pocket cruiser.
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    How much will it cost to build one of these. f26287.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonP View Post
    How much will it cost to build one of these. f26287.jpg
    if you tried to sell it after 3 years from new... 25k
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    I'm still trying to figure out what that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpatrick View Post
    What's a sticky?

    Jeff
    Sticky beak, a dekko, a squiz a flash…...

    (Having a look round to see what's there).

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    If no one is boating, how come mooring fields are so crowded and mooring wait lists are so long?

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    Status symbols? Hey, if they left the dock, who would see them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    If no one is boating, how come mooring fields are so crowded and mooring wait lists are so long?
    Nobody moors around here, but until recently, it has been the largest concentration of pleasure boats in the U.S. This has been noticeably declining. I would trace the decline mainly to the high cost of dockage and storage, an annual cost that can easily exceed the price of a small boat. Pressure on waterfront real estate and high taxes are a major cause of this phenomenon. Might also note that the decline in wages has cut into lots of recreational activities for young people.

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    My 34 ‘er is one of the smaller boats where ever I go in the Eastern Caribbean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    Nobody moors around here, but until recently, it has been the largest concentration of pleasure boats in the U.S. This has been noticeably declining. I would trace the decline mainly to the high cost of dockage and storage, an annual cost that can easily exceed the price of a small boat. Pressure on waterfront real estate and high taxes are a major cause of this phenomenon. Might also note that the decline in wages has cut into lots of recreational activities for young people.

    This is exactly the big issues. As for the majority of cheaper used boat sales and dock space in populated urban areas - they are becoming places for the near homeless to live. An untenable position of poorly maintained boats wrapped in tarps. The Specter of a even faster declines are being forecasted a small these marina villages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonP View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out what that means.
    wooden boats owners selling have a small market. Here in the west coast of the US, good wooden boats are cheap and few want them. If you had a wooden boat build today for 100k today and your tried to sell it in 3 years if you could it would worth 1/3 of the build cost. It might take you 2 years to sell it. That is a lot of money to spend to sail it at most 2 dozen times.
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    If I had that kind of money to spend I'd certainly be sailing it more than a couple dozen times! Not that I'll ever have to worry about having that kind of discretionary money But point well taken. Frequently folks who have a want will work extra to supply that want ​and then find they haven't time as a result to use it. I see it with houses, cars and certainly boats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    I feel most people think they need a boat bigger or better than this they are kidding themselves.

    Ted, I like the logic you apply to your way of sailing!
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    You don’t need bigger boats - just more boats. We have 7 and 6 get lots of use. More boats give you many more adventure opportunities. Look at the forecast and decide which boat is most suitable for the conditions, the time you have or where you want to go. I am we sure get afloat more often than 90%+ of the boats in the local marina

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    If no one is boating, how come mooring fields are so crowded and mooring wait lists are so long?
    Marinas charge too much.
    Many young people are building "Tiny Houses" now.
    But the Tiny Houses weigh too much because they use House size lumber for what is essentially a travel trailer.
    Tiny Houses will be abandoned all over the US and Alaska, when the money runs out.
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    Plenty of good new and used sensible boats out there, they just don't pay for the big ads in the glossy magazines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Well they are not meant to leave the dock are they? And heaven forbid a mention of waves or a swell, let alone wind!
    I met a woman once who had retired with her husband from a big house to a big motor 'yacht'. Tied up cheek by jowl with various other FG craft and growing a nice crop of weed. He was at the local golf course mostly where he drank, she was stuck on a boat a long way from a town where she didn't know anyone and drank.
    I was rowing a boat round the moorings having a sticky. She offered champagne, I offered lunch and rowed her round to the restaurant.
    Rather sad really. I wonder how that ended up.
    So do I. How did it end up? Sounds like it could have been "the beginning of a beautiful friendship..."

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