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    Default JohnW: Sat Night Spec design process

    I've been looking at your Saturday Night Special and got to thinking what you were working on that lead you to the SNS. By this I mean the boat where you could haul the pieces to the site, build it in three days, sail it and then either give it away or as has been done at the T200, set it on fire for the entertainment value.

    What did that look like?

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    Default Re: JohnW: Sat Night Spec design process

    *bump*

    Not that I usually do that, but....
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    I missed this, thanks for the reminder.

    I'd been playing with lightweight planing hulls, AWOL is one example, that boat being a "sports cruiser" with a high tech gaff sloop rig on her. She performs very well, does what I'd intended when I drew her and encouraged me to experiment further along that shape.

    I'd been thinking of a simpler version when the idea of a quick and dirty boat for some of the long distance events was mooted by a couple of friends so drew a shape, and a simple way of building her.

    We built a prototype, a "quick and dirty" one, as per the original brief. It performed exceptionally well, being both an exciting ride and very very hard to capsize. She planes freely, will reach and run at twice hull speed as steady as can be, runs like on rails and goes upwind pretty well.
    The original group was talking about making up the frames, case, board and rudder, taking full size paper patterns and packing them into mountain bike airline transport bags and sending them through to the start of the Texas 200, team building three of them from cheap plywood from a big box store with rigging kits and fittings supplied as a kit from Duckworksmagazine.com. Running them, then raffling or selling them on the beach at the end.
    That didnt happen, and the prototype was such a delight to sail that I sat down and redrew the plans as a more "permanent" boat, still a very quick build but with a better structure, easier to build "fair" and a centreboard rather than a daggerboard. Several of these have run the T200, very successfully, and are much liked by their owners.
    The plans have sold steadily since then, they're a fun boat with just enough space to sleep on board if cruising.

    John Welsford

    A PS. Anyone building her will look hard at that strange looking rudder head. If the boats to be used in shallow water ( there is a lot of that on the Texas 200 and the Everglades Challenge) don't change it, it works really well, you can sail through foot deep water at planing speeds and still have control. It might look weird but it works.

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    Default Re: JohnW: Sat Night Spec design process

    So the "quick and dirty" boat was basically the same hull shape as the Saturday Night Special?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan H View Post
    So the "quick and dirty" boat was basically the same hull shape as the Saturday Night Special?
    Yes, the shape was performing really well, but the customer group for the quick and dirty project never came to reality, but there were a number of people interested in a slightly more up market version. That became the "Saturday Night Special". There may well be a "Sunday Night Special", that being the former boat when I've had time to think about it for a day or so.

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    Default Re: JohnW: Sat Night Spec design process

    I suspect that I'm going to be pretty interested in your Sunday Night Special, should it come to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan H View Post
    I suspect that I'm going to be pretty interested in your Sunday Night Special, should it come to pass.
    I'm thinking it might be a two person raid boat, to be competitive that would mean it has to be a lot longer boat.
    But I've already got AWOL and Sweet Pea in that hull type, both of which go pretty well, so a specialist raid boat would be longer, lighter and a bit narrower on the bottom with a speed orientated rig.

    SNS has the space though to put whatever interior in that you might think would work for you, as drawn she's got no seating other than the side decks and a suggestion that the crew might do well sitting in a swimming pool beanbag, so you've a lot of choices. A couple of them have been built with a really nice finish, full seating, coamings and nice paint. They look really cool.

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