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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Rushton?
    Yep. Apple Pie owned by Dave Kavner. It's about 10 years old now. The boat was a regular at the fall MASCF in St. Michaels, but I don't recall seeing it last year. The detail and hardware on this boat is stunning.
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    I have the designs in FreeShip from which I create the 2D plans.

    My intent is create custom plans for home builders, especially those who don't want to bother themselves with setting up the software and dealing with the learning curve.

    With FreeShip, I can alter dimensions like width, height and length and create new lines for home builders. The lines plans can be used for wood strip, traditional or glued lap building methods. I primarily focus on hull design allowing the builder the freedom to finish the boat as they see fit. I have not yet been able to cost justify Rhino or SolidWorks yet. Being self-educated, I don't qualify for the education discount.

    I can also create Stitch and Glue designs, where the planks are developed in 3D. I take the lines from 3D, "flatten" them in AutoCAD, then measure them out for cutting out from flat sheets of 4' x 8' marine ply.

    Many solo canoe designs, which are not too wide, or longer than about 15'9" I lay out the lines so they can be cut from just two sheets of marine ply.

    Hull designs with a beam wider than 30" or a length greater than 15'9" often require more sheets of ply.

    I've completed the canoes in W.P. Stephens, Canoe and Boat Building and most of the Rushton Boats found in the Atwood Manley and William Crowley books.

    It has been a self-directed apprenticeship in small craft design. Having wrapped up most of the canoes, I'll be turning my attention next to small sailing and rowing craft.

    I'm not sure of your reference below (the right side of the sections?). I couldn't upload as high a resolution image as I had hoped to the forum. I can email you a PDF if you want to PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upchurchmr View Post
    Eskimotom,

    Are your planking lines developed in 3D or just illustrations?
    Nice looking drawings.

    I'm not quite sure what your section view is showing on the right hand side.
    Last edited by eskimotom; 04-29-2018 at 03:45 PM.

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    My MacGregor Build

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    You guys are making me want to finish my build now. I really haven't worked out a lot of detail in how to do the rigging, I believe I have the appropriate holes in the appropriate spots, but as to what sort of line etc to use I still need to talk to my local chandelry or wooden boaties store/builders to get some more ideas. I made up some cleats the other week too, which will be welcome soon. Glad you managed to find some great sailing canoe photos, don't stop looking now though, there's more out there
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    Simon,

    You have a great MacGregor build thread, almost motivates me to build one again, almost. It was a thoroughly rewarding process and outcome for me. I spent plenty of time in the moaning chair, building it before learning about this forum. Oughtred's Clinker Plywood Boatbuilding Manual & Hill's Ultralight book were very useful references in my build process. I built the strong back outlined by Ted Moores in CanoeCraft & KayakCraft which served nicely.

    2010 was my last boat build. I took time off while my wife and I got her veterinary practice afloat in 2009. Now the business is cruising along nicely, and I'm turning my attention to wood boats again, warming up to the process again on a small scale, literally, with a 6 ft scale model of Rushton's Nomad sailing canoe as an art piece and photography prop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tink View Post
    That is probably what I need, what is it, do you have a picture you could post.
    This is the boat I sail now, a Sabre, sailed in this pic by Mat Keily. (a much better and younger sailor than me).
    Second pic not me either…………..




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    Interesting and looks successful canoe design from France. There is an English tab with some information but google translate won’t translate the site. There are lots of pictures to ponder over

    http://www.camillekayak.com/le-concept/








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    Cool boat!

    This one has always been my favorite. The "Thorell Ultra" - clean, clean, clean, with a weighted or plate steel centerboard. If I was younger, I'd be thinking about building one like it, but I'm too old and lazy now.

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    Todd,

    Is there a link to any more information on the "ultra"?

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    Not that I know of. There used to be a photo database on the web with a bunch of photos of old sailing canoes. The last time I looked, it had disappeared, but I had saved the photos of the "Ultra" and also the "Thorella" just because I really liked their clean lines.

    The Thorell "Thorella"

    thorell_thorella.jpg

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    There is a long magazine article about Sven Thorell out there which is very interesting. I don’t think it is Woodenboat, their back issue search comes up blank. It must be Classic Boat but you have to buy their index (seams odd as being able to search for a back issue would help me find it and buy it, anyway I certainly wouldn’t want to be in magazine publishing today) I will see if I can find a copy later on.

    I would image there are masses about Sven on some Swedish web site, despite having the ‘results from all countries’ ticked google seams to Anglophile my results.

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    Ha - how to beat google
    Swedish for Canoe is Kanot, so I searched Sven Thorell Kanot, using image results I found this

    http://www.kayakdesign.org/kanon/tho...ell/nb/nb.html

    put kayakdesign into google translate and with a bit of bumbling about you can find information

    https://translate.google.com/transla...org%2Find.html

    anyway must actually get on and work on a boat rather than doing it in a virtual world

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    Quote Originally Posted by tink View Post
    There is a long magazine article about Sven Thorell out there which is very interesting. I don’t think it is Woodenboat, their back issue search comes up blank. It must be Classic Boat
    Classic Boat, December 1997
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    If you're interested in Thorell's designs (and why not) check the lines plans, pics etc out at

    https://digitaltmuseum.org/search/?q...kanot&o=0&n=80

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    Quote Originally Posted by tink View Post
    Interesting and looks successful canoe design from France. There is an English tab with some information but google translate won’t translate the site. There are lots of pictures to ponder over

    http://www.camillekayak.com/le-concept/
    Chrome browser will translate that site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ulav8r View Post
    Chrome browser will translate that site.
    Big thanks Chrome for IPad struggling but just about able to do it. Will light the boiler to get my steam powered lap top fired up.

    This is the interesting bit to me, interesting translation but referencing the pictures all makes sense.

    Camille's design is characterized by many innovations:The paddle chamfers create a skew plane between the hull wall and the deck level, which increases the width of the kayak to the waterline, and therefore its moment of recovery under sail, without hindering the propulsion to the paddle.The pivoting fargues allow the crew to move in the wind closer to the wall which significantly improves the counter-heel.The tilting mast pivots on a horizontal axis in the axis of the boat which makes it possible to train it or to bring it down without difficulty in navigation in all the sea conditions.The boom mast sliding on the mast allows an elongated sail plan, so a better propulsive performance, while limiting the length of the mast when it is shot on deck. In addition, it reduces the sail safely while gradually lowering the center of gravity of the rig and the center of thrust of the wing.The furling jib makes it possible to quickly reduce the sail area while guaranteeing a straight luff, guaranteeing a good course upwind.


    The modular seat makes it possible to modify the position of the body in the boat. At the paddle, the bust should be almost vertical. With the sail or the motor, one inclines the back of the seat and one lowers the seat. The center of gravity falls, the windage decreases and we better monitor both the water and the sails.The boarding . On Camille , the "paddle float" are integrated into the bridge. In the event of a capsize, it is sufficient to fix them laterally to stabilize the boat and allow the boarding.Integrated wheels
    Camille is equipped with two wheels which are fixed on the wall in the manner of crutches of grounding. Dismantled, they take place in the bottom of the trunk.In his well, the swinging electric motor is still in position. It is protected from shocks and external aggressions. A hatch makes it possible to seal the well in the plane of the hull bottom while sailing, which does not affect the performance under sail or paddle.A berth on board. On Camille , the front of the cockpit is occupied by a waterproof box where the sleeping is stored. At the bivouac, it opens on the cockpit to offer a perfectly flat floor of 1.90 m long and 0.80 m wide.


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    Talking about sailing canoes, here is a vintage one designed by Uffa Fox.

    It belongs to a friend of mine here in South Africa. He doesn't know how it found its way over here. The British canoe sailors were extatic when they heard about the boat and they believe it might be a " missing boat " which they had thought had been destroyed. The boat is in its original condition and lying in his boats shed which by the way is filled with old wooden sailing and rowing boats. One of the boats is an old vintage Fyfe which once belonged the the Sultan of Zanzibar.image.jpg

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    And some more pictures.image.jpgimage.jpg

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    And a few more.image.jpgimage.jpg

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    Is that canoe actually East Anglian or Valiant? Wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    Is that canoe actually East Anglian or Valiant? Wow!
    Nobody seems sure. I posted these pictures on SailingAnarchy years ago and the British canoe sailors were blown away.

    They have detailed records of all the old boats and can account for just about every class legal canoe that was built in England over the early years. They had one or two of the famous boats on record which were unaccounted for. This particular boat turned out to be possibly one of them. They would need a carefull inspection of the boat and would be able to identify which boat it is. But it is definitely an Uffa Fox design.
    Unfortunately the owner is not very forthcoming with assistance to trace the exact history of the boat. A widow donated the boat to him. She was unsure how her husband got the boat. The British guys on SailingAnarchy felt that with a bit of input that they could identify the boat.

    I have gone to look at the boat on two occasions. It is very sound and seems that all the spars, blades and sails are there.
    The canoe has a heavy weather and light weather set of centre boards and rudders. The boards have lead inserts to act as ballast. The rudder is in a cassette so it is not transom hung.
    I have begged the owner to sell it to me, but he does not part with anything.
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    That is great Frans, do you have anymore pictures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt young View Post
    That is great Frans, do you have anymore pictures?
    No, unfortunately not. Just these two pics from one of Uffa Fox's books. They are not necessarily the same boat.image.jpgimage.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    Is that canoe actually East Anglian or Valiant? Wow!


    I would say not they had keel stepped mast and a ‘mast’ for a forestay also keel stepped. Something to do with American rules requiring two masts.

    Looks more like Gallant, deck stepped mast and conventional forestay. The well detail looks similar also

    http://intcanoe.org/iclife/hist/dsc_m/gallant.html



    Whatever she is a beautiful canoe


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    I seem to recall that East Anglian and Valiant were converted back to British sloop rig, so (assuming this boat has been re-decked which would also account for the lack of a splashrail) it could be one of them. I may check the SA thread, out of interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    I seem to recall that East Anglian and Valiant were converted back to British sloop rig, so (assuming this boat has been re-decked which would also account for the lack of a splashrail) it could be one of them. I may check the SA thread, out of interest.

    I could buy that. The other issue is the well, or cockpit. It looks vary short on Anglian and Valiant. On Gallant it is much longer like the South African boat, it also has a Vee double bottom though recessed by similar to Gallant




    SA post 3119 onwards
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    Haven’t the time now to fully read but looks inconclusive




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    A couple of Gallant from my collection. Note that the rudder is stem-mounted, not through hull as shown on the plans (photos of Gallant in Uffa Fox's Second Book show the same).

    Gallant 1.jpg

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    Is that Uffa Fox himself sailing her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Miller View Post
    A couple of Gallant from my collection. Note that the rudder is stem-mounted, not through hull as shown on the plans (photos of Gallant in Uffa Fox's Second Book show the same).



    Gallant 1.jpg



    Gallant 2.jpg

    According to the SA forum from above 24 was Britomart, what were they thinking when they came up with that name. Gallant is 28, they source UK IC site but can’t find the original.




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    That would make some sense - the photos in the above mentioned book are not specifically identified as Gallant, but as "the author and his canoe," which would fit with the SA list. FWIW, one of the two photos I posted above is identified as Gallant in pencil on the back, and came from the same source from which I also acquired the original ink-on-linen drawings of Gallant.
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    As you can see Frans this has caused quite a lot of interest as it has on SA in the past. Any chance of any more photos of the boat. The stern, rudders, box for rudders, the centre boards, more of the cockpit, any markings of builders plates. Somewhere you said it is sail able, do the sails have any numbers or markings. Would it be possible to measure the cockpit length?

    Big thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tink View Post
    As you can see Frans this has caused quite a lot of interest as it has on SA in the past. Any chance of any more photos of the boat. The stern, rudders, box for rudders, the centre boards, more of the cockpit, any markings of builders plates. Somewhere you said it is sail able, do the sails have any numbers or markings. Would it be possible to measure the cockpit length?

    Big thanks

    Good morning,

    The boat is in storage in a town some distance away from where I live. I visit there from time to time but I will endevour to do a proper inspection of the canoe next time.
    It could be quite a while though. I am also curious to find out which boat this is. Thanks for the interest shown.

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    Big thanks, I look forward to more information

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