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    Marx lost big time on the world stage. The governments where his principles were applied, from the Soviets to Cambodia, turned into nightmares. But the hard left didn't give up. A fifth column is at work on our campuses.

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    You are making a bushel full of assumptions about why that text is assigned to be read.
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    "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
    The best statement I've seen from this latest carnage came from a student who lived through it -

    "My generation will not allow this to continue!"

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    Marx got a lot of revolutionary stuff wrong, but Capital ​remains an important work in the history of economics.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    Marx lost big time on the world stage. The governments where his principles were applied, from the Soviets to Cambodia, turned into nightmares. But the hard left didn't give up. A fifth column is at work on our campuses.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/co...ege-2016-01-27
    More ignorant pontification on display. If you actually knew anything about Marx, you'd know what his value is... and isn't. And why his analysis is still relevant today. Especially today.



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    Damn, I forgot again.

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    "Now what is known as ‘Marxism’ in France is, indeed, an altogether peculiar product — so much so that Marx once said to Lafargue: ‘Ce qu'il y a de certain c'est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste.’" Engles, 1882.

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    My only exposure to Marx was in a sociology class taught by a very charismatic Irish Marxist, T.J. Rice.

    If he is being taught critically, say along side "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn....

    Somehow, I doubt that. But granted, I only have my experience wherein his teachings were lionized as the end all and be all of what needed to happen in the world.

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    Jack, really? A 'fifth column'?? Marx is important, both historically and for his critique of capitalism. Marxism in the old style is as dead as the Divine Right of Kings, although there are still some remaining Marxists. But the central point is that one can learn about something without endorsing it. Should we require that the horrors of the Inquisition, the Albigensian Crusade, and the Thirty Years War be taught whenever we learn Christian theology?
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    What are the other two top texts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianY View Post
    What are the other two top texts?
    Adam Smith and Paul Krugman texts. . .

    I'm a bit surprised its not Stiglitz in the top spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Adam Smith and Paul Krugman texts. . .
    Well, that's certainly disturbing. To think that college kids today are reading such sinister texts...how dare they educate themselves about economic theory!
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    It's impossible to study 19th and 20th century history without reading the Communist Manifesto. I suggest you read it, or stay profoundly and apparently proudly ignorant.

    It's got one of the all-time great opening lines "A spectre is haunting Europe - the spectre of communism".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    Marx lost big time on the world stage. The governments where his principles were applied, from the Soviets to Cambodia, turned into nightmares. But the hard left didn't give up. A fifth column is at work on our campuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    My only exposure to Marx was in a sociology class taught by a very charismatic Irish Marxist, T.J. Rice.

    If he is being taught critically, say along side "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn....

    Somehow, I doubt that. But granted, I only have my experience wherein his teachings were lionized as the end all and be all of what needed to happen in the world.
    One sociology class, where you happened to run into one of the very few Marxist true believers in the world?

    Not even a history class, or an economics class.

    Then why on earth are you spouting nonsense in such decisive tones?

    Every time you roll out this sort of claptrap - it is an affront to intelligent conversation, and an insult to the intelligence, knowledge, and understanding to those who have put in the work to know something about the topic. And to those who are smart enough to keep their lip zipped when they have nothing of substance to contribute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Jack, really? A 'fifth column'?? Marx is important, both historically and for his critique of capitalism. Marxism in the old style is as dead as the Divine Right of Kings, although there are still some remaining Marxists. But the central point is that one can learn about something without endorsing it. Should we require that the horrors of the Inquisition, the Albigensian Crusade, and the Thirty Years War be taught whenever we learn Christian theology?
    LOL. There are still relict divine rights embodied in US presidents……………...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Marx got a lot of revolutionary stuff wrong, but Capital ​remains an important work in the history of economics.
    Agreed .
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    Communism on it's own is not a bad thing, but it neglects one basic precept of the human experience- Humans are greedy. there is always going to some one who wants more, more wealth, more boats, more likes, or more power.
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    Yeah, Marx is not politically correct . .

    The idea is to present students with sources and people with diverse points of view, and let them thrash it out and make up their own minds.

    But of course that is anathema to the Reich.

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    The list is bogus. It claims Marx's Communist Manifesto is the most popular economics text, when it's not an economics text at all. Marx was a political theorist, and an important one to know about. I'd argue that Locke and Hobbs are more important, but there's not much teaching of liberalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    Communism on it's own is not a bad thing, but it neglects one basic precept of the human experience- Humans are greedy. there is always going to some one who wants more, more wealth, more boats, more likes, or more power.
    The real problems with Marx had to do with his failure to develop a workable theory of value, while the marginal revolution was developing exactly that, and his assumption that the evil done by powerful institutions could best be dealt with by eliminating those institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland
    Communism on it's own is not a bad thing, but it neglects one basic precept of the human experience- Humans are greedy. there is always going to some one who wants more, more wealth, more boats, more likes, or more power.
    Yep. Old Karl completely misjudged human nature. He was an optimist. He did not understand the concept that, as Gordon Gekko said, "Greed is good."
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    "The Prince" is a staple of the theory courses in political science. Just saying. Along with yes, Marx. And Aristotle, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Mill. Increasingly also Lao Tsu.

    We also read Von Ranke, Clausewitz, and various moderns who mostly will be winnowed down in another few decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    Communism on it's own is not a bad thing, but it neglects one basic precept of the human experience- Humans are greedy. there is always going to some one who wants more, more wealth, more boats, more likes, or more power.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    Yep. Old Karl completely misjudged human nature. He was an optimist. He did not understand the concept that, as Gordon Gekko said, "Greed is good."
    Indeed... by leaving greed out of the equation, one leaves out a key component. The one that makes capitalism work. And greed IS good. At least highly useful, and dangerous to ignore. Which latter is why greed must be monitored, regulated, and kept in productive harness. And away from too large a role grasping the levers of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G
    Indeed... greed IS good. At least highly useful, and dangerous to ignore. Which latter is why greed must be monitored, regulated, and kept in productive harness. And away from too large a role grasping the levers of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    The list is bogus. It claims Marx's Communist Manifesto is the most popular economics text, when it's not an economics text at all. Marx was a political theorist, and an important one to know about. I'd argue that Locke and Hobbs are more important, but there's not much teaching of liberalism.
    I'd say the notion of a political-economist is a very important one and an ugly truth economics likes to hide. It is, after all, the study of humans and systems they make.

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    Hey, Jack.... Seen any six-toed cats lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    I'd say the notion of a political-economist is a very important one and an ugly truth economics likes to hide. It is, after all, the study of humans and systems they make.
    I'm with you there, but while Marx did a comprehensive critique of capitalism, he expressed only very vague ideas about how to replace it. He stopped writing about the time the marginalists were publishing, so I think he saw that others had a better idea of how to make economics work. Just as Smith's ideas did not explain why diamonds are worth more than water, Marx's did not explain why farming is worth more than onanism.

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    Money is the root of all evil.

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    The love of money is the root of all evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    Marx lost big time on the world stage. The governments where his principles were applied, from the Soviets to Cambodia, turned into nightmares. But the hard left didn't give up. A fifth column is at work on our campuses.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/co...ege-2016-01-27
    Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it was assigned so it could be picked apart? I have a copy somewhere. It is short, and I haven't read if for decades. It might even be used as an illustration of the types of propaganda, so you can recognize it when you see or read it.

    Calm down. You sound like one of my neighbors who grew up in Orange County and hasn't gotten over it.

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    Greed as practiced by sociopaths is not good at all - not even a little bit.

    Of course, they are dangerous in socialist societies as well.

    Marx's biggest error was to greatly underestimate the power of nationalism.

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    David,

    I should have said "my most extensive" not "my only". I have read into 'Capitol', though can't claim to have read the whole thing. Have you?

    A central theme, roughly stated, is that all property derives from theft.

    Another, a rough quote from memory, "From those according to their ability, to those according to their need." Sounds almost Christian, don't it? The problem on any scale larger than a commune, greed and dominance heirarchies take over the utopia. Hell, they do even on many commune level experiments.

    I'll take regulated capitalism in a society based on liberty over Marx's utopia, or current neo-Marxist apologists for the Soviets, any day.

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    Thomas Piketty uses new data and analysis - and winds up supporting much of Marx's analysis.

    And it just kills me the way the US Reich whines all the time about political correctness, but thinks it's just fine to dictate academic inquiry and course content.

    And yes, they tried to get me fired from my UNI job more than once.

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    For those actually interested in one contemporary Marxism, there the ever interesting Kenneth Megill's "The New Democratic Theory". (New York, Free Press, Macmillan, 1970)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    . A fifth column is at work on our campuses.

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    You should be a character in a Loony Tunes cartoon. With all the crap going on in the country you roll out this worn out canard.

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