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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanMc View Post
    i don't have any problem with opposing the nazis. the problem with antifa is, they're a bunch of anti-everything militant types that can't find enough nazis to be mad about. so then you get assaulting grandparents in wheelchairs.
    Yeah, that's bad. No question about it. But that isn't all of antifa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanMc View Post
    i don't have any problem with opposing the nazis.
    If you don't have any problem with opposing the Nazis - and I'll add white supremacists/racists to the mix for you (Please let me know if I'm putting words in your mouth...) - why do you only seem to object when the Anti-Fa and other protesters are opposing Nazis and white supremacists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    If you don't have any problem with opposing the Nazis - and I'll add white supremacists/racists to the mix for you (Please let me know if I'm putting words in your mouth...) - why do you only seem to object when the Anti-Fa and other protesters are opposing Nazis and white supremacists?

    are we playing the game again where if you denounce one thing it means you support something else? super fun game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Noted:

    "hahah, i'll laugh it up and troll it around in here for a few days... but i don't really care."
    I'm so glad you kept that.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by cglynn View Post
    ^^^^Who would not exist if there were no fascists.

    Remember kids, we had Antifa in the 40's too. They were called soldiers. And today, they are largely regarded as heroes.

    Food for thought?
    Despite all the subsequent blather, backing & filling, bs, and bad logic... you have summed up the crux of things right there.
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    So we're done here? Please, tell me we're done with this troll.

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Noted:

    "hahah, i'll laugh it up and troll it around in here for a few days... but i don't really care."
    The best statement I've seen from this latest carnage came from a student who lived through it -

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    yall so funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    So we're done here? Please, tell me we're done with this troll.
    We weren't before?
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    In my humble opinion if you are wearing a mask while you are protesting anything you are nothing but a coward. Push around old ladies, pick on people in wheelchairs, show no respect for others. Please tell me how any of this leads to anything but discord. I don't care what anyone's agenda is if they are not resorting to violence. If you are using violence to push your agenda you have already lost. Comparing Antifa to the military shows your basic lack of respect for those that protect your rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Maybe so. But then again, the videos don't show the intent of the "old lady" and wheelchair fellow. They both might have been holding their own all too well.


    and yall call ME a troll!

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    Holy mackerel! The Penn Senator 113H2 4/0 is such a classic reel!




    I send a troll and caught a whopper! Of course the line is all knotted because I left it unattended.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1GH36E

    Really defending Nazis?









    How vulgar!


    EAST LANSING, Mich. (Reuters) - A least a dozen people were arrested on Monday after supporters of Richard Spencer clashed with protesters outside a Michigan college campus where the white nationalist was scheduled to speak.

    Among those arrested were Gregory Conte, director of operations for Spencer’s organization, the National Policy Institute, according to Evan McLaren, the group’s executive director.



    Fistfights broke out on a road leading to Michigan State University in East Lansing as about 40 backers of Spencer walked up a road leading to the campus, where roughly 500 demonstrators had gathered, surrounding an armored police vehicle.


    Police in riot gear quickly stepped in to break up the altercation, handcuffing six or seven people, then forming a skirmish line along the roadside to prevent further clashes.
    But sporadic fisticuffs continued to erupt outside the campus as officers escorted attendees into the building in small groups.

    Media representatives for the university could not immediately be reached for comment. A spokeswoman for the Michigan State Police said the department was assisting with crowd control but declined to say how many people had been detained or arrested.

    “These people are scum. We chased them away. This is our free speech being exercised,” said David Sherman, 25, who drove to the campus from Indianapolis to protest Spencer’s event.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors U.S. hate groups, lists Spencer as “a radical white separatist whose goal is the establishment of a white ethno-state in North America.”

    An outspoken supporter of Trump during the 2016 campaign, Spencer rose from relative obscurity after widely circulated videos showed some Trump supporters giving Nazi-style salutes to Spencer during a gathering in Washington to celebrate the Republican candidate’s win. Trump condemned the meeting.

    In October, protests broke out as Spencer gave a speech at the University of Florida in Gainsville..

    Two months earlier, a 20-year-old man said by law enforcement to harbor Nazi sympathies drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters after white supremacist rallies in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing a 32-year-old woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceboy View Post
    In my humble opinion if you are wearing a mask while you are protesting anything you are nothing but a coward. Push around old ladies, pick on people in wheelchairs, show no respect for others. Please tell me how any of this leads to anything but discord. I don't care what anyone's agenda is if they are not resorting to violence. If you are using violence to push your agenda you have already lost. Comparing Antifa to the military shows your basic lack of respect for those that protect your rights.
    I know I'm getting into 'nuance' here... but I'd regard that a less of an 'opinion' - and more of a 'reaction'.

    If you insist on calling it an opinion, I won't argue. I'll simply point out that it's an uninformed opinion based on an emotional reaction. Do you have anything of substance to offer? Something beyond "I don't LIKE it"??
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Tell us then what the "old lady" is trying to do, and her political views underlying her presence at the event. Same with the wheelchair fellow, what was he saying?


    i personally don't care what they were doing or what their political views were. if you think it's ok to assault old ladies and people in wheelchairs b/c they don't have favorable political views, then i find you morally reprehensible.

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    Dunning-Kruger again.
    The best statement I've seen from this latest carnage came from a student who lived through it -

    "My generation will not allow this to continue!"

    Remember voting age is 18. Read it and weep reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglynn View Post
    Do we consider preaching violence against others "peaceful assembly."
    Some call it Guerrilla Theater, as matter of perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    Dunning-Kruger again.
    That's what you get from someone with a steady diet of the National Review and Washington Examiner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKIP KILPATRICK View Post
    A least a dozen people were arrested on Monday after supporters of Richard Spencer were attacked by antifa protesters outside a Michigan college campus where the white nationalist was scheduled to speak.

    Fistfights broke out on a road leading to Michigan State University in East Lansing as about 40 backers of Spencer walked up a road leading to the campus, where roughly 500 demonstrators had gathered, surrounding an armored police vehicle.


    yeah... there's no way these folk could be radicalized into NAZI like fascists...


    talk about 1st world problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    .
    Antifa thugs in Warsaw, Poland sometime between April 19 and May 16, 1943.


    oh sooo scary... BAD MEN WITH ASSAULT RIFLES!!!

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    There were anti-Fascists fighting Nazis in the streets in the 1920. It is a tactic that has failed before, and is unlikely to help this time around.

    The problem with the tactic is that it increases the perception that there is chaos in the streets, and that makes people turn to the strongman who promises order. In the end, it helps the fascists.

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    Skip, you did good. You trolled up about all of the folks that don't like other folks protesting against white supremacists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    There were anti-Fascists fighting Nazis in the streets in the 1920. It is a tactic that has failed before, and is unlikely to help this time around.

    The problem with the tactic is that it increases the perception that there is chaos in the streets, and that makes people turn to the strongman who promises order. In the end, it helps the fascists.
    Yep. Of course you'd have to study history to know that.
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    Gee, thank you soooo much for correcting me. You come off as a reactive know it all to me. But, that is only my opinion. Perhaps you find it okay to assault those that are disadvantaged because of infirmity or age. I for one find it morally reprehensible no matter what they say or believe. Why do you support criminals that assault the disadvantaged?

    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    I know I'm getting into 'nuance' here... but I'd regard that a less of an 'opinion' - and more of a 'reaction'.

    If you insist on calling it an opinion, I won't argue. I'll simply point out that it's an uninformed opinion based on an emotional reaction. Do you have anything of substance to offer? Something beyond "I don't LIKE it"??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceboy View Post
    Gee, thank you soooo much for correcting me. You come off as a reactive know it all to me. But, that is only my opinion. Perhaps you find it okay to assault those that are disadvantaged because of infirmity or age. I for one find it morally reprehensible no matter what they say or believe. Why do you support criminals that assault the disadvantaged?
    You're welcome.

    But I get the impression that you need to take a bit more time, and engage in a bit more reflection and research before it will fully settle in. <G>
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    There were anti-Fascists fighting Nazis in the streets in the 1920. It is a tactic that has failed before, and is unlikely to help this time around.

    The problem with the tactic is that it increases the perception that there is chaos in the streets, and that makes people turn to the strongman who promises order. In the end, it helps the fascists.
    That's true in part. But not in toto. It's certainly a danger, as I've mentioned before, of that sort of fringe tactic.
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    Do we consider preaching violence against others "peaceful assembly."
    As distasteful as the subject matter, its presenters, or its presentation might be, yes the law of the land allows most uses of words. Very few uses of violence are within the bounds of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figment View Post
    Dear ANTIFA,

    You're angry. We get it.
    Your anger is drowning-out whatever other message you might be attempting to communicate.

    Whenever you're ready for an adult conversation, we're here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    "The middle" never changed anything. read status quo. If you want to spark change the middle is not the place to try.
    In a democracy, capturing the middle is the quickest path to change.

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    There have always been people of violence on all sides. When organizing civil rights, peace, or poor people's rights demonstrations, we learned the value of long range preparation of 'affinity groups' who knew and trusted each other and who were highly self-disciplined in active non-violence. They could contain, sometimes, violence being stirred by people within the movement, crazies, or police provocateurs. The problem with the Antifa is that they make their own events. We must trust that the police are up to the job of dealing with them correctly.

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    Shame on you timid souls for defending and supporting these awful people. You're citizens now in name only. In reality, you're nothing more than a partisan.

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    I saved it as my signature line because I thought it was so preciously self-revelatory.
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    i'm just glad yall appreciate my jokes to the point of saving them forever in your signature

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    oh sooo scary... BAD MEN WITH ASSAULT RIFLES!!!
    Now you are being infantile. There is nothing remotely funny about the situation those two men were in.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Can't quite find a reasonable account of this incident, but it appears that the uniformed nazis deliberately rushed the protesters, who responded by attacking them. The result was a gang fight. Dunno how this relates to free speech. The speech was not disrupted, and was heard by more than 30 people who attended. Might add that the alt-right group was also banned by a working-class bar in Warren, and sued the university to rent them some space. The university responded by renting them a room in the campus barn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    That's true in part. But not in toto.
    What part of it isn't true?
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