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    The phenomenon known as Donald Trump is bigger than any of the individual issues we often rant about, here in the bilge. Taken together, it strikes at least some of us (and I am including me) as a terrible national nightmare. Andrew Sullivan wrote persuasively on this:

    Andrew Sullivan: “There are times when I genuinely wonder whether I can hold up psychologically in our current politics and culture. My shrink tells me I am far from alone in this, and that everyone she listens to is consumed with a depression that swings from despair to rage to what can only be called learned helplessness. There are moments when everything I have come to believe in — reasoned deliberation, mutual toleration, liberal democracy, free speech, honesty, decency, and moderation — seem as if they are in eclipse. Emotionalism, tribalism, intolerance, lies, cruelty, and extremism surround us (and I have not been immune in this climate to their temptations either). Trump has turned the right into a foul, spit-flecked froth of racist reactionism, and he has evoked a radical response on the left that, while completely understandable, alienates me and many others more profoundly with every passing day. Hell, there have been many moments in the past couple of years when I have alienated the better part of myself. There is something about the current toxicity that has seeped into everyone.”

    “And so I walk the dogs. And I meditate. And I smoke more weed in the evenings. And I browse the apps. And I find myself searching for figures outside this time and place who were in similar circumstances and yet kept their heads.”
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







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    i'm good, i switched from npr and the beeb to sports radio last week
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i'm good, i switched from npr and the beeb to sports radio last week
    Ahhh, excellent tactic... ignore the unpleasantness. Good for your psyche. Doesn't change the bitter reality, but WTF, you can just ignore it all....

    ...until it gets way too bad. It's a bit like drinking: the high is pleasant.... but the hangover is payment.
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







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    Quote Originally Posted by erster View Post
    The same hate that you are displaying these days was on display when you democrats owned everything and was participating in the love feast of a professed socialist. You have one of the bigger boats here and yet you cannot even spend a single day on it without posting something related to hate filled partisan politics.
    yup, the exact same republican obstructionist and often rooted in racism right wing hate was on display then;very little is different now. . .
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    did erster just go big lebowski on me?
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erster View Post
    The same hate that you are displaying these days was on display when you democrats owned everything and was participating in the love feast of a professed socialist. You have one of the bigger boats here and yet you cannot even spend a single day on it without posting something related to hate filled partisan politics. And folks wonder why you are so "depressed" all the time.
    Pendulum will swing back, probably as heavily as in the days of FDR. If you can't tell the difference between these two men and not puke when you watch Trump, at the seriously fu34ed up man sitting in office today, then you're the enemy of good, reason, and the country.

    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

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    VS this Chump;


    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

    ~C. Ross

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    Sports is so much more important than Trump, eh Paul?

    I'm about to take out my rage against trump (small "t" to match his small hands) against anyone I discover voted for him. I've got a grandson-in-law visiting later today. If he says anything against Obama while in my house I will be telling him we don't tolerate such talk against Obama.

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    These days, it is baseboard trim, so, with a coping saw...

    ...and a second amendment solution to affix it.
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    Safer than a table saw!
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erster View Post
    And the republic rejected a third term of his slick marketing. Like I said the democrats owned it all and the party loyal was not happy either. So changing a president will not do anything to deal with all of this anger that is spread about each day. Getting even by taking out a sitting president without substantive issues will not bring you long term happiness. You will not cope any better with real life than how you are doing now.

    Another boating day today, making a real difference to friends and family, and for the most of you guys, well you will be wallowing in the same manure here.
    A PUNT BOAT perhaps?

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    I'm about to make my annual trip to Cabela's (65 miles away) and I think I'll wear my red "Make Obama President Again" hat. It will of course cause comment. Then I'll be addressing a few people who are the problem instead of preaching to the choir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erster View Post
    And the republic rejected a third term of his slick marketing. Like I said the democrats owned it all and the party loyal was not happy either. So changing a president will not do anything to deal with all of this anger that is spread about each day. Getting even by taking out a sitting president without substantive issues will not bring you long term happiness. You will not cope any better with real life than how you are doing now.

    Another boating day today, making a real difference to friends and family, and for the most of you guys, well you will be wallowing in the same manure here.
    If Obama was allowed to run for a third term, he would have won. HC was hardly of Obama's caliber. You, clearly, want America to fail, this economy is due, in large part, to the foundation built during the Obama Administration. The fact that you can't acknowledge that is probably the most telling aspect of your rampant racism.
    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

    ~C. Ross

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Scheuer View Post
    I'm about to make my annual trip to Cabela's (65 miles away) and I think I'll wear my red "Make Obama President Again" hat. It will of course cause comment.
    It will just 'cause comment'? I should think it would earn you a black eye, at the very least!
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







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    To address Andrew Sullivan's article in post #1, the "current toxicity that has seeped into everyone" is very evident in the responses posted here this morning.
    Trump has brought out the worst in everyone. He openly advocated for racism, hatred and lying in his campaign and continues to do so in his presidency. People are naturally going to react to that. Some will embrace it, others reject it.
    As for me, I agree with Norman that Trump is a national nightmare. Every aspect of decency that I was brought up to respect is trampled under foot by this president* and it is depressing to see America devolve into two camps yelling at each other with no true leadership in sight and this does indeed affect my daily mood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erster View Post
    You have one of the bigger boats here and yet you cannot even spend a single day on it without posting something related to hate filled partisan politics. And folks wonder why you are so "depressed" all the time.
    Yeah, Norman!

    How dare you care about the state of the world and have empathy for others instead of just seeking refuge for yourself in the comfort of expensive posessions!

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    I’m old. The ruination this buffoon has brought about will affect me the rest of my life. That’s depressing as hell. I’ve developed a few ways to cope, the boat and shop are nice diversions. But I also spend time trying to spread real information among some of my friends and family, not always successfully. I enjoy reading Norman’s posts as most are parallel to what I try to spread in my own circles. I don’t have kids, and I’m not sure how those who do can teach them to think properly in this environment.

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    A fist fight in the gun dept? A bunch of supposedly "good guys with guns" standing around? Sure.

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    I find myself thinking about that old joke, "How do you boil a frog?"

    Every time I think the White House can't get crazier it does and I have to renormalize my expectations. It's a real danger and it leads to a form of complacency that we cannot tolerate. The office of the POTUS has been degraded to a point where it carries no respect. We cannot let ourselves become complacent with this continuing downward spiral. It's painful, but we need to keep our perspective on what the office of the POTUS is expected to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    To address Andrew Sullivan's article in post #1, the "current toxicity that has seeped into everyone" is very evident in the responses posted here this morning.
    Trump has brought out the worst in everyone. He openly advocated for racism, hatred and lying in his campaign and continues to do so in his presidency. People are naturally going to react to that. Some will embrace it, others reject it.
    As for me, I agree with Norman that Trump is a national nightmare. Every aspect of decency that I was brought up to respect is trampled under foot by this president* and it is depressing to see America devolve into two camps yelling at each other with no true leadership in sight and this does indeed affect my daily mood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    If Obama was allowed to run for a third term, he would have won. HC was hardly of Obama's caliber. You, clearly, want America to fail, this economy is due, in large part, to the foundation built during the Obama Administration. The fact that you can't acknowledge that is probably the most telling aspect of your rampant racism.
    Interesting...

    Just curious, do you think the President or Congress has a greater affect on the economy of the USA?

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    The best part of being on my boat all winter is I am not in the States. People from here ,Eastern Caribbean, tend to dislike Trump as much as I do . That is the good part, as my hometown Gig Harbor, is chock a block with Trumpsters.
    But still hurting from my concussion/ fractured neck, I have to take it easy which means I’m on the stinking Facebook and wbf all freakin day .
    i am not the cerebral type to better myself by reading paper things .. whaddya call em ... books.

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    You're all just fine, swathed in leisure and comfort that could scarcely have been imagined by your ancestors.

    How utterly silly and lacking in perspective so many of you are. It's embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    You're all just fine, swathed in leisure and comfort that could scarcely have been imagined by your ancestors.

    How utterly silly and lacking in perspective so many of you are. It's embarrassing.
    Well, as long as you’ve got yours. Good For You.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    You're all just fine, swathed in leisure and comfort that could scarcely have been imagined by your ancestors.

    How utterly silly and lacking in perspective so many of you are. It's embarrassing.
    The concern is for the future. I'll tax policy is destroying the middle class. I'll energy policy is destroying the environment. Guns are eroding the fabric of society. And the corruption of our values is bringing into focus the overarching importance of money. It's not our lives today that are the big problem and I think you know that even if it does not concern you.

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    Intelligence experts agree "toxicity" was the objective of the Russian Troll involvement in our election.

    that's why Bots and Trolls supported and financed Black Lives Matter style protests and re tweeted the "Ping Pong Pizza" type tinfoil hat stuff.




    The degree to which Liberals believe wide swaths of Republicans were concerned/ believing the Ping Pong Pizza sex ring, is the degree to which Liberals were fooled (willingly fooled?) by Russian Trolls and Bots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    You're all just fine, swathed in leisure and comfort that could scarcely have been imagined by your ancestors.

    How utterly silly and lacking in perspective so many of you are. It's embarrassing.
    Fine thank you , how are you?

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    I was away for last summer and barely heard mention of the maggot, but when I did it was always derogatory. It was nice having my head in the sand. Now that I'm back and immersed in an unavoidable awareness of the repulsiveness I cope by venting my disgust and hatred here and not paying any more attention to the situation anywhere else than necessary.

    I have considered bypassing the bilge, but there's not much point since I follow the news elsewhere anyway so I just have to accept that it's what's happening for the next little while. I do like to think that the US is learning from it though, that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron ll View Post
    Well, as long as you’ve got yours. Good For You.

    I guess this means there's no more residual good feeling left over from the Mozart thread, eh? Oh, and Ron? I think you're going to be fine.

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    Trumps an idiot. So is anyone else that lets the next 3 years of Trump ruin their life, or cause fights with strangers, or push away family.
    "Simple minds discuss people, Average minds discuss things, and Great minds discuss ideas".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    You're all just fine, swathed in leisure and comfort that could scarcely have been imagined by your ancestors.

    How utterly silly and lacking in perspective so many of you are. It's embarrassing.
    What's your point? Yes, we as a people are doing better then in centuries past. This is due to hard work and education. I, for one, worked very hard my entire life and played by the rules. I'm not rich, but I don't worry about where my next meal is coming from.
    I spent most of yesterday and most of today at my church's soup kitchen preparing and serving meals to folk that don't know where that next meal is coming from.
    Just because I'm not needy, don't you dare for one minute think I sit around in luxury and just pontificate on world affairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Trumps an idiot. So is anyone else that lets the next 3 years of Trump ruin their life, or cause fights with strangers, or push away family.
    There are plenty of people that don't have 3 years left so it seems a shame to be so cavalier with three years of life even if they are not your last years. That anyone would support that idiot or the party that created him is incomprehensible to me.

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    Sorry, but listening to a bunch of relatively wealthy, elderly white men, all of them sufficiently comfortable to moan on about just how bad it really is, for hours on end, day after day, sounds in childish pretension. It just does.

    It's a fair callout. You're going to be just fine.

    It's good news. Buck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Sorry, but listening to a bunch of relatively wealthy, elderly white men, all of them sufficiently comfortable to moan on about just how bad it really is, for hours on end, day after day, sounds in childish pretension. It just does.

    It's a fair callout. You're going to be just fine.

    It's good news. Buck up.
    The point you might be missing, and what I alluded to in my other response, is that of course we are fine, but many others are not. The policies of this administration are devastating to a lot of people, whether their families have been split by ICE, or their children have been shot in school, or their financial lifeline has gone away or they can’t get healthcare, or by dozens of other programs that you and I don’t need, but they do. It has always seemed to me that the biggest difference between conservatives and liberals comes down to selfishness or generosity. But you’ve got yours, so you’re doing just fine.

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    Due to careful planning in my youth I have no issue, and no skin in the game. I was 75 yesterday and am living my bonus years and can afford to be a bemused and not so amazed spectator at such foolishness. My native cynicism enables me to take a couple of steps aside when looking at the mess humans are making of their only sanctuary.

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