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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/u...T.nav=top-news

    After faulting the FBI, the mental health system(we dont really have one) and anyone else who doesnt adhere to their positions, the armed guard at the FL high school chickened out in the moment of need. Their position has been that all every school needs is an armed guard.

    Why people believe that somehow an armed guard or teacher is going to be constantly locked and loaded and waiting for the bad guy is nonsense. You cant pay someone enough for that job. And now Trump says maybe we'll give them a little raise for this duty.

    They keep coming up with these ridiculous arguments for selling more guns when the solution is to get rid of the things

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    He shouldn't have to be able to retire with, more than likely his pension intact. He should have been fired and lose his pension.

    So there you go, Mr. LaPew, there was a good guy with a gun there. A lot of good it did apparently!

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    Well, at least stray rounds from his weapon did not add to the carnage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Well, at least stray rounds from his weapon did not add to the carnage.
    Hard to do when he didn't even enter the school!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Zucker View Post
    They keep coming up with these ridiculous arguments for selling more guns when the solution is to get rid of the things
    That is certainly a solution. But I don't think the Democrats are willing to do so. I know the Republicans are not.

    A lot of this is that gun owners are in favor of restrictions on guns in general, but not their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    Hard to do when he didn't even enter the school!
    That was my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    So there you go, Mr. LaPew, there was a good guy with a gun there. A lot of good it did apparently!
    He may have been a good guy before, but because he failed in his duty, he wasn't what the NRA wanted.

    Someone better keep that guy on suicide watch. I pity and despise him at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    He may have been a good guy before, but because he failed in his duty, he wasn't what the NRA wanted.

    Someone better keep that guy on suicide watch. I pity and despise him at the same time.
    Would you have run towards danger? Honestly?

    I remember a post from way back someone pointing out that US police have no duty to put themselves into harms way. Not a part of the job description.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    He may have been a good guy before, but because he failed in his duty, he wasn't what the NRA wanted.

    Someone better keep that guy on suicide watch. I pity and despise him at the same time.
    I'm sure it wasn't he was just a deputy from the local police enforcement. I guess LaPew would like a Bruce Willis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Would you have run towards danger? Honestly?
    Of course you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Of course you do.
    Really? Most people would cack themselves on hearing gunfire.

    What about the previous post re job description? True or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    What about the previous post re job description? True or not?
    You mean that thing you read here? About cops and danger?

    You'll have to research that one. Lots of things said around here and I don't care to research them all.
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    Based on the cops I knew while a systems tech at the Sheriffs office, I honestly think 99% would have immediately unholstered and entered the building alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    You mean that thing you read here? About cops and danger?

    You'll have to research that one. Lots of things said around here and I don't care to research them all.
    Well you live there, so it is a reasonable question.
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    what a joke the NRA and their ideologues are. 93k+ public schools in the US and we are seriously considering some security commando force?
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    I’d bet on the assistant coach having been capable.
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    Something reeks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    He may have been a good guy before, but because he failed in his duty, he wasn't what the NRA wanted.

    Someone better keep that guy on suicide watch. I pity and despise him at the same time.
    Yeah, I call false balls here. This guy certainly may not reflect some of us in his actions as we see them from the outside having not been in the situation with little to no real training in confronting a well armed lunatic in a fortified position with superior firepower. Are you 100% sure you would have been able to confront those odds tough guy? Are any of us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    I’d bet on the assistant coach having been capable.
    He was a true hero. Doubt you would have placed your money where your mealy mouth is. I doubt any of us know what we would have done in that position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Yeah, I call false balls here. This guy certainly may not reflect some of us in his actions as we see them from the outside having not been in the situation with little to no real training in confronting a well armed lunatic in a fortified position with superior firepower. Are you 100% sure you would have been able to confront those odds tough guy? Are any of us?
    It doesn't really matter. The NRA needs 100,000 people braver than the deputy, who want to be armed school guards, for their solution to work and that just ain't going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    It doesn't really matter. The NRA needs 100,000 people braver than the deputy, who want to be armed school guards, for their solution to work and that just ain't going to happen.
    Outide of every other of the many straight up strong arguments against arming teachers, the insurance companies will never have it.
    Last edited by McMike; 02-22-2018 at 07:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Outide of every other of the many straight up strong arguments against arming teachers, the insurance companies will never have it.
    Just like conservative legislatures will never approve the hundreds of millions necessary to harden every school in the USA.

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    Teachers could buy more school supplies with their combat pay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    How is the NRA's position on silencers evolving?
    Ask Donnie Jr. He thinks they're great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    How is the NRA's position on silencers evolving?
    Not well. I could hear both Dana Loesch and Wayne LaPierre speaking in the past two days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Portland View Post
    If a teacher is to be the front line deterrent for a gunman , every move he/she makes will have to be tactical.
    Is he/she a teacher , or a protector?.
    It would be impossible to do both , effectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    From a ex-military and current teacher

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/o...l-right-region
    I'm curious...how many here have actually been under real combat fire? Can you really understand what is being asked here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    what a joke the NRA and their ideologues are. 93k+ public schools in the US and we are seriously considering some security commando force?
    That is an untapped market...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    I’d bet on the assistant coach having been capable.
    OK. Let's say the assistant coach is fully trained and very brave. He's in a huge building when gunfire breaks out. He first has to hear the gunfire or be notified by phone/radio. He has to get his weapon out of a locked gun safe, load it and run to where he thinks the gunman is. By then, dozens are dead and it's unsure if the coach will be able to shoot the gunman before he himself is shot.
    The whole idea of arming school employees is stupid. It's beyond stupid, it's irresponsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf View Post
    I'm curious...how many here have actually been under real combat fire? Can you really understand what is being asked here?
    Armchair warriors, anyone who thinks armed teachers is a good thing. All talk, but wouldn't for one minute volunteer for this duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    Not well. I could hear both Dana Loesch and Wayne LaPierre speaking in the past two days.
    Bingo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Teachers could buy more school supplies with their combat pay!
    Whoa! Dont go getting all ahead of yourself there! They just got a whopping fat tax cut to cover that stuff! And as soon as Office Depot starts making their own ammo, they'll be coming out ahead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf View Post
    I'm curious...how many here have actually been under real combat fire? Can you really understand what is being asked here?
    No intention to slight those who have faced fire from a professional force of opponents.

    The guard on duty at this school was seconded by the local police force; seems he was ill-prepared to even suspect that such an incident could take precedence in the premises.

    Much less, take out a lone, luny shooter.

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    It's time to make the 2nd amendment work for us and pay its way.

    Here's my plan--first, we need to combine school and public security with a work requirement for welfare...and give the deadbeats full 2nd amendment rights while making them work for benefits. This is the only way to provide some sense of personal responsibility and work ethic into these people.

    Also, we should arm every non white person in America, and make sure they are deployed in Upper class neighborhoods where they are needed the most to protect the innocent. This way we can begin the long task of mainstreaming those Black Lives Matter radicals back into 21st century post-racial America.

    Every Non Christian in the US should be issued an AR-15, with instructions to fire at will if they see any other heathen doing anything that even looks a little fishy. ISIS is the real danger, people, and this will allow all of the potential terrorists to police each other, so nobody will live long enough to be radicalized...

    We should make sure to arm all Hispanics, especially Dreamers. We can incorporate a path to citizenship into the overall security plan, based on a graduated body count system.
    Remember...we aren't getting Mexico's best, so if EVERY Mexican in America is armed the good ones (Trump supposes that there are a few) will open up on the rapists, killers, and MS-13 gangbangers. These people are Bad Hombres, and we can't mollycoddle them anymore.

    It is very important to understand that Gun Control is a failed Liberal policy, and if anyone doubts this they should look at Chicago. Gun control isn't working there, so it is imperative that we do everything possible to make sure that every Chicago resident has at least two weapons within easy reach at all times. This is the only way to stop the violence.

    A good guy with a gun is the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, and if everyone has a gun we can sort out the good guys from the bad guys when the smoke clears.

    This is how we Make America Great Again. The logic is inescapable, and if there are any doubts it must be remembered that Crooked Hillary came from Chicago, and Obama is a corrupt Chicago politician. Repressive gun laws are to blame for most of our problems, and people have a right to defend themselves and stand their ground.

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