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    very professional looking painting there!

    Often people paint the 'vertical' faces a darker colour to the deck or cabin top. It helps to visually lower the profile of the boat.

    Turnbuckle, open them fully. The first few turns shouldn't be doing anything, so enough should be screwed in before the tension bites. You don't want to run out of thread.....
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    very professional looking painting there!
    Thanks Trev I really appreciate that, but if you could see the detail...

    And double thanks for the turnbuckle advice. That matches up with what I've read, but a lot of the time the story teller just blows right past the whole affair. We've got some good weather coming up, so I may have a go at it. Or I'll start to jack the boat up to repaint the hull. Maybe just head to the beach for a bit.

    More later.

    Thanks,

    Eric
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    Greetings Eric and friends,

    Great post, with lots of ups, downs, long road trips, solutions found, knowledge and skills gained, and new friends acquired. I have worked in the marine industry and been around boats and various oceans and seas a lot of my life, and the cameraderie amongst boat people is second to none.

    Can I suggest that you investigate dry docking solutions mate? Mooring a boat full time is loaded with potentially expensive hassles, and antifoul is far from a perfect solution. It is not as effective as the price and marketing would have us think, and you will have to swim underneath at regular intervals to clean **** off the hull (or find a local teenage entrepreneur to pay), otherwise your speedy craft becomes a slug and you can't reach enough speed to fling the weed off. Then there are other possibles/probables such as swamping from rain coz the solar panel needs sun to work, rot and marine borers, barnacle etching, pelicans dropping a gallon of fishy turd over your newly painted rig, theft and vandalism, mooring fees and upkeep, etc. There is little effort required to launch from a floating jetty, or from the bank using a crane.

    Anyway keep up the good work people, it is nice to see the boating community working together over huge distances to accomplish great feats.

    Rog
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishguts View Post
    Greetings Eric and friends,

    Great post, with lots of ups, downs, long road trips, solutions found, knowledge and skills gained, and new friends acquired. I have worked in the marine industry and been around boats and various oceans and seas a lot of my life, and the cameraderie amongst boat people is second to none.

    Can I suggest that you investigate dry docking solutions mate? Mooring a boat full time is loaded with potentially expensive hassles, and antifoul is far from a perfect solution. It is not as effective as the price and marketing would have us think, and you will have to swim underneath at regular intervals to clean **** off the hull (or find a local teenage entrepreneur to pay), otherwise your speedy craft becomes a slug and you can't reach enough speed to fling the weed off. Then there are other possibles/probables such as swamping from rain coz the solar panel needs sun to work, rot and marine borers, barnacle etching, pelicans dropping a gallon of fishy turd over your newly painted rig, theft and vandalism, mooring fees and upkeep, etc. There is little effort required to launch from a floating jetty, or from the bank using a crane.

    Anyway keep up the good work people, it is nice to see the boating community working together over huge distances to accomplish great feats.

    Rog
    Coffs Harboubr />
    Greetings Rog, and welcome!

    And thanks for the kind words. You are right, boat people dance to a different tune and seem to be there when you need them. That's why I come here. To learn! You really need to open up, show all and ask questions and take opinions for what they are and how they're offered. I post here to get those opinions, cuz most of the time, I've got nuttin! As Mick says "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need".

    With regards to the dry docking concerns, I think that you're exactly right. I may or may not have told this tale, but when I was deciding which boat to build back in San Antonio, I didn't have to look too far. I wanted a trailer sailer because of where I was living. Just a short shot up to canyon lake, sail all day and be back home for dinner. I played like a ping pong ball with moves to Redondo Beach CA, Huntersvile NC and then down here to Satellite Beach, FL. On a canal. Don't really need the trailer too often. And now I need to consider what to do with the existing hull paint, an oil-based semi enamel.

    I've still got things to do on the boat and I've kind of ignored the issue. But not really. We are replacing our dock right now and one of the questions I've got is-do I put in a boat lift? I'm concerned with that 20' mast and high winds with us living a mile from the ocean. Now it's a small boat, couldn't I keep the mast down when docked, then the lift would work? One thing that I've read is that the last place to be raising or lowering a mast is in the water. Any thoughts on that? That is my major challenge now.

    While I doing my ping pong thing, I saw an add for Petite Vivid paint. Seems to get a lot of use in this area and it's a hybrid hard/ablative paint. Also doesn't need to be splashed directly after painting. Since the add was for $20 off a quart of the stuff, I bought a quart. I can always add a lift and develop some easy way of setting that mast single handedly a bit later.

    Since I've gotten a bit brave lately, I decided to start finishing the standing rigging. Two shrouds and a forestay. I had a friend help me get the mast up and in place and had marked the location of the chainplates, but I just couldn't finish the task and cut the wire rope. So I went out today, did a bunch of measurements and calculations, looked at it upside down until I convinced myself that I could do it right.

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    But if you look at the photo real closely, you can see that I've got a red mark at 7 15/16" or thereabouts.

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    Oh boy.

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    So I was patting myself on the back, Great Job!!!

    Until I did the other shroud, and realized my goof. Distance was supposed to be 8 15/16"! So I did the second one correctly and went back and cut an inch off of the other one.

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    Both are now where I thought they should be. I hope that is correct. Disaster narrowly averted again.

    Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket tonight?

    More later.

    Thanks,

    Eric
    Last edited by FishoutaFlorida; 04-29-2022 at 02:37 PM.
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    Greetings all,

    Well I didn't buy a lottery ticket so that won't explain my lack of posting progress photo's and such. Lethargy, laziness, or just about any other word that describes hanging out.

    Anyway, not much has been happening, but because I worked on the boat today I thought it time to re-engage. Probably 4 months ago I refinished the hull above the waterline.

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    Cleaned up all the hangar rash it had collected over the past 5 years or so. Used the original paint too. Was sort of surprised that it was still any good, but a healthy shaking and mixing seemed to be all it needed.

    Then I got into the idea of finishing the rudder and all of it's connectors and things.

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    Most of the photo's I got of the rest of the finishing activities was just showing new holes and bolts. So the next time it shows up will be complete!

    But today was the day to start painting below the waterline. When I originally started this boat, and when I chose the paint, I was set for freshwater. but transfers and layoffs happen and now I'm on a brackish water canal with access to more brackish water. So I checked around with local boaters and found Petite Vivid to be a successful coating. And I can put it on top of the existing paint. Spent an afternoon figuring out the waterline and improving the shear of my initial trial and finally put the making tape down. Now I need to raise the boat and get it off the trailer to give me access for painting.

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    Using 2-8' 4X4's, a bunch of 18" 4X4's and some pavers, and lowering the front of the trailer as far as possible I was able to lift that puppy. First I used a 8' 4X4 build up to right under the skeg at the stern. Used shims to get it tight to the bottom. Then I built another 8' 4X4 on 18" 4X4's and paver's and used a bottle jacks to lift the bow off the trailer. Marked the wheels on the floor and pulled that trailer out. First time I've seen it empty since Redondo Beach years ago.

    As I started to pull it the trailer out I noticed some resistance and stopped to take a look below.

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    Duh. I had forgotten that the centerboard isn't completely installed and is being held up by a 2x2 across the trailer beams. Finished the job by climbing in the boat and finished fixing the centerboard in an up position.

    Tonight, I start painting on the graveyard shift. Hope all is well with everyone!

    More later.

    Thanks,

    Eric
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    Nice one Eric.
    Hope the painting went well.

    Boot stripe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Nice one Eric.
    Hope the painting went well.

    Boot stripe?
    Thanks! I believe so, hope to finish up today. Last night was more prep stuff, but I did get a decent 1st coat on.

    Thinking white. I can do that after the boat is back on the trailer.
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    Greetings!

    OK, so I ran out of the bottom paint, have ordered additional which should be here early next week.

    So I decided to start out on the boot stripe.

    Now the top of the bottom paint is located from plans, not reality. Once you consider my poor eyesight and minimal lighting in the garage, I'm not at all sure that I am anywhere near the true waterline. But not worrying about that, I placed blocks of 2" masking tape on top of the upper edge of the bottom line to establish masking limits. This would provide a constant 2" wide stripe.

    But when I started looking at it, I wasn't so sure I liked it. So I went to Google which brought me right back here to a thread from 2011. It didn't tell me what I need to know. Anyway, I've got some questions for the general audience.

    1. Should the boot stripe be a constant thickness or vary with thinner in the middle and thickest on the bow, transom somewhere between the two?

    2. Since I'm not sure of exactly where the waterline, should I just wait, measure it and modify things on the next hard stand period? And go without a boot stripe till then?


    This is real typical of me, getting 1/2 way into the task and reconsidering everything. I think I'll go get some thinner tape.

    More later.

    Thanks,

    Eric
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    I'd wait until done and you have had the boat in the water long enuff for nature to tell you where the WL is. And white may be the hardest one to keep clean...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gray duck View Post
    I'd wait until done and you have had the boat in the water long enuff for nature to tell you where the WL is. And white may be the hardest one to keep clean...
    Greetings gray duck!

    With regards to your first point, I've gotta believe that is the way to go. Unfortunately I've done a lot of reading and am now twice as confused. So onward and upward! I got away from the constant width stripe by making it wider at the bow (3") and transom (2.5") and squeezed it down in the middle (to right around 1").

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    However I did apply your second point. I had a V8 moment when I realized that I still had topside paint left! 2 coats of primer and 1 coat of topside for the boot stripe! And not white either. Good point about cleanliness! And adding a 4th color (5th if you count brightwork) wasn't really what I wanted to do.

    The location of the stripe is still bothersome though. The good thing is that I won't be able to see the stripe from the house or deck. Additional motivation to float this puppy! Thanks for the comments gd, I really do appreciate them!!!

    More later.

    Thanks again,

    Eric
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    Looking forward to your launching pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gray duck View Post
    Looking forward to your launching pics!
    Me too!

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    Ok, the boat is back on the trailer and my wife's car is back in the garage. Just have to paint the spots where it was supported.

    Next items, installing deck hardware and the forestay.

    More later.

    Thanks,

    Eric
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishoutaFlorida View Post
    Me too!

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    Ok, the boat is back on the trailer and my wife's car is back in the garage. Just have to paint the spots where it was supported.

    Next items, installing deck hardware and the forestay.

    More later.

    Thanks,

    Eric
    Looks good mate. I like the stripe

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    Quote Originally Posted by hereselmo1 View Post
    Looks good mate. I like the stripe
    Thanks hereselmo1! I do to! I certainly appreciate the compliment after all that I went through. Funny thing was that I was talking white, but as I was getting ready to make a color choice and order it, I realized that the top color was the way to go. And I still had enough! White would not have looked as good. Now I'm committed to stay with just those three paint colors!

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    So I primed and painted the tiller/rudder bracket.

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    And installed deck hardware. Hmmm, looks like I might need to clean those cleats!

    But most of all I got an early Christmas present!

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    The contractor for the dock demo and replacement project dropped off his barge today for work starting on Monday or Tuesday depending on the weather. They're still working weekends on Ivan/Nichole damage.

    Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving!

    More later.

    Thanks,

    Eric
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