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WX · 02-13-2018, 01:54 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Watch this space eh?
Welcome.

**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-13-2018, 08:01 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Greetings all,

So there I am in SAT and am looking for Doug Fir for the frame of this little plywood sailboat. Not an easy adventure. But I finally found a place that had some...at $25/bf!

Wowser! This stuff was recycled, about 25 rings/inch, would make a great guitar face, but was completely unusable for a sailboat. But I did finally find some Southern Yellow Pine and brought out the plans and tools!

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**Rich Jones** · 02-13-2018, 08:40 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

I'll be following!

**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-13-2018, 11:27 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

I hope that it is worth it Rich.

One thing that I didn't discuss earlier was how I chose a Hartley.

After deciding that sailboat building was going to be my next project, which boat would I build? A sloop? cat? Perhaps a Yawl? Well not knowing how to sail and my sailing experience being an afternoon with a hobie cat, a 51' Beneteau in Cabo and a lot of reading, I didn't have too many requirements:

1. needs to fit in my garage,
2. needs to live on a trailer,
3. needs to be built of wood,
4. needs to have a little cubby,
5. needs to have a history of service.

So I looked at D5's, Melonseed, and even a puddle duck. But I liked the looks of the Hartley, loved the long history, not too sure about plywood construction and a long life, but all in all, the Hartley 14' trailer sailer was the one for me. Then I started to look for stories of building Hartley's, found several, but this one by Geary was what really helped me out. But that Melonseed looks like a fun build too.

Hartley TS14 Construction - The WoodenBoat Forum

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?99640-Hartley-TS14-Construction&highlight=hartley

<font color="white">&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp </font> <h3>And, you can click <a href="http://forum.woodenboat.com/forumdisplay.php?12-Archived-Reference-Threads">Archived Reference Threads</a></h3>

I read this several times, copied construction photo's, and thoroughly enjoyed his working out all of the challenges that he came across. After reading of his troubles obtaining Hartley 14' Trailer Sailer plans from NZ, I sent my money to ClarkCraft.com and got them a week later. I spent a lot of time reading the plans and working things through in my head and got super confused. But after reading Geary's posts, I came to realize that the Hartley plans were more of a suggestion than a rule. Once I got that clear, everything became clear, time to start building!

More later,

Enjoy,

Eric

**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-13-2018, 04:28 PM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Absolutely WX, but be sure to read my last sentence in #1.

And thanks for the welcome, it took quite awhile to get my gumption going for this.

Enjoy,

Eric

**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-14-2018, 12:14 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Greetings all,

So in the name of "transparency" which used to be called truth, I need to share some facts with all of you.

I started this build in 2015 plus or minus, decided early that I would start a thread on this build at some point in time but didn't have a precise schedule for it. The build started in SAT, finished frames but believing that a change in work locations was looming I bundled the frames together and waited for the moving van. As predicted, job changes, location changes and we head west for Redondo Beach.

After settling in and making sure that I could abide by my 1/2 garage commitment, I built a building stock and re-started the build.

But lets start at the beginning.

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Using bum wad to copy the full size prints to the wood, I was able to pick and choose grain orientation and mark out frame pieces. Cut all of the pieces at one time (actually several days worth of cutting) and stored them together. Tried to cut close but on the outside. Since I am writing this portion from the future, one thing that I was concerned about did indeed come back to bite me. The cut outs for the stringers in the frame were cut at this time in my build. Better way to cut them would be to mark both sides of the frame pieces and then cut after mounting in the building stock which would allow you to account for bevel of the stringers when you make the cut in the frames. Need to account for the frame width on the cuts.
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Back to present tense. There were a lot of pieces to cut and I was up for the task.

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Now it's time to assemble the frames.

Funny how repetitive tasks with wood can while away the hours...

Enjoy,

Eric

**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-14-2018, 11:43 PM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Greetings all,

From the photo's in my last post you can see that I used bum wad to transfer the full size plans to the wood. Spent quite a bit of time selecting the right wood for the right part, at least as I saw it at the time. After cutting up the pieces of the frames it was time to put them together. So I built a table, put the full size plans on and covered them with saran wrap, used wax paper as an additional protector of the plans.

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One thing that I wondered about was the bevel of the notches in the frames for chines and stringers. But that didn't keep me from cutting them straight.

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This proved to be a problem when it came time to install chines and stringer.

OK, full disclosure, I started this project about 3 years ago in SAT, since then we have moved to Redondo Beach. Still not finished, but wanted to get this underway and catch up.

The problem that I brought on myself was in the forward frames, the angle of the chines was not a 90 degree and now I have to figure out a way to fix it through a backdoor. What I should have done is to mark the frames and wait to cut them until the frames where set in the building stock and measured the angle. Note to self, next time I think I should dig deeper...do it.

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Enjoy,

Eric

**Ando56** · 02-15-2018, 12:09 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

I'm very close to finishing my Hartley 18. Started with zero experience and learnt heaps along the way. You will enjoy the experience. Good luck.

**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-15-2018, 10:58 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Thanks Ando, I appreciate your good wishes!

How long till you splash yours?

**asrainox** · 02-16-2018, 12:13 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

i built a hartley ts16 as my first build - was good!

**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-16-2018, 01:00 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Hey asrainox!

Glad to hear that, wished I had a bigger garage, ts16 was my first choice.

OK, back to frame construction. Using the full size plans (thank you for that Hartley) I set about assembling frames from pieces cut earlier.

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Prep for epoxy glue mission. First time that I used whole wheat flour as thickener...very nice. Also want to comment on the use of 1:1 epoxy mixes, much less sensitive to measurement errors and has been working for me in a variety applications. No blush observed, but maybe I missed it. Got the epoxy from the same place as the plans.

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So now all of the basic frames have been completed. I chose to cover all with 1 coat of epoxy. future plans include all painted, no bright. Well may a bright transom if I find some spectacular wood.

But then again, this boat is not about spectacular wood, it's about getting me sailing in a reasonable time frame.

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Rasp doing it's job on the stem.

Enjoy,

Eric

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**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-16-2018, 01:12 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Thanks Fred!

Glen-L was a huge source of information and dreaming material for me to get started. But now that I am building, WBF seems to be the best source of feedback for me.

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Enjoy,

Eric

**Ando56** · 02-16-2018, 02:07 AM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Originally posted by FishoutaFlorida

Thanks Ando, I appreciate your good wishes!

How long till you splash yours?

I'd like to say about 3 months but considering I started it 5 years ago thinking it would take me 2 - 3 years... who knows

**FishoutaFlorida** · 02-16-2018, 08:37 PM

Re: Another Hartley's 14' Trailer Sailer Build

Yeah I've got to believe that there is a reason that I'm not predicting dates...bad juju.

Lots of pieces to cut, this SYP seems to fairly similar to DF in strength so I'm happy about that substitution. Anyway, cut wide with a jig saw and work hard to get down to the line.

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oops.

Here is putting the plans together. They are full size 1/2 plan so I printed one as a mirror, taped them together and now had a full width of all of the frames.

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Wrapped it up in saran wrap, put beams behind it to take out the plywood bending and mounted it on my work table.

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Then it started getting messy.

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Frame assembly was to screw the frame pieces into place, make sure all fits well (trimming, sanding then gluing.

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Fun stuff! More later.

Enjoy,

Eric

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