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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    Did you get it from Walmart?
    you can't get a quality V-E at Walmart! ... it's got to be from a gas station convenience store or road side flea market


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    Hey but what do I know. I only have an BFA in fine art from SVA with a minor in 20th century art history, and a MFA in industrial design from The Cooper Union. I'm no expert in Walmart Art
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    Hey but what do I know. I only have an BFA in fine art from SVA with a minor in 20th century art history, and a MFA in industrial design from The Cooper Union. I'm no expert in Walmart Art

    what did you think of his Left temple... his head/hair bulging veign looks unfinished there...?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    what did you think of his Left temple... his head/hair bulging veign looks unfinished there...?
    Chiaroscuro

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiaroscuro

    Edited to add it should be noted I answered da noise response with a $10 art history word in under 2 min I think I earned that MFA
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    Both paintings reflect profound artistic intellect and sensibility from someplace other than European-American civilization.

    It's ok if it's not to your tastes, doesn't seem appropriate to you, or even rankles a bit, in other words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post


    oh... if an attempt at Chiaroscuro why in that one spot... and a failed attempt... It looks as if there is some hair not painted in fully, the rest of the face seems to be sort of surreal/ hyper detailed... but I can't see well enough I'd need to get a close up of that part of the painting...


    I'm fine with the rest of it... the important part is Obama likes it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    oh... if an attempt at Chiaroscuro why in that one spot... and a failed attempt... It looks as if there is some hair not painted in fully... but I can't see well enough I'd need to get a close up of that part of the painting...


    I'm fine with the rest of it... the important part is Obama likes it!
    Dunning-Kruger, art criticism edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    Dunning-Kruger, art criticism edition.

    It's just too bad the artist didn't have time to finish it.

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    OK so to delve further into the Chiaroscuro treatment of the entire canvas and allay your fears. Please look at the 5th leaf from the left. You will noticed a sort of heightened Chiaroscuro prevalent on the light direction emanating from the top right. I find it odd that you failed to mention this and all the hundreds of other light treatments on all the leaves in the HUGE canvas. What the artist has achieved is sort of a hyper Chiaroscuro where as masters such as Rembrandt would "emerge" FROM the light he has a modern Chiaroscuro palet where there is a more polarized distinction of light and shadow. Where Rembrandt would darking to obscure this artist LIGHTENS to obscure. It creates a more illustrative pallet that offends most traditionalist, but really is the same Chiaroscuro that rembrandt used only in reverse.

    What, was that too hard to follow ?
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    I was chopping wood today w NPR in the background describing the paintings. Obama came on jokingly describing his attempts to negotiate less gray hair and smaller ears. What a change.

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    I know what I like- and it ain't those. He looks like he could be Obamas' cousin- her I've never seen before. JayInOz

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayInOz View Post
    I know what I like- and it ain't those. He looks like he could be Obamas' cousin- her I've never seen before. JayInOz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    Hey but what do I know. I only have an BFA in fine art from SVA with a minor in 20th century art history, and a MFA in industrial design from The Cooper Union. I'm no expert in Walmart Art
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    If you think thats fine art you need to ask for a refund from these places..

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    I am underwhelmed by the Michelle portrait.

    1. She's way livelier than that
    2. The likeness is... only approximate
    3. It looks only half-complete

    Oh... I get grey-scale... I just don't like this example.
    Joe... I'm not looking for photorealism. I don't care about tradition. I have no problem, as I said, with the whole 'grey-scale' thing.

    My complaint is that - to me - this image just doesn't capture her. And it looks particularly drab and vague when side-by-side with his lively, brilliant, cheeky image. Which - to my mind - captures him beautifully.

    She deserves better.
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    David, fair enough, I agree with the Michelle portrait critique far more than the Obama portrait critique. I'm left underwhelmed with her painting.
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    FWIW a better understanding of the portraits probably can be found here The Obamas Select Art for the White House

    http://content.time.com/time/photoga...929522,00.html

    Folk art combined with color field work by Albers and Diebenkorn, intellectual wordy pop art of Ruscha, add Homer nautical landscapes and it truly gives an insight to their eclectic eye and passion for the combination of color and composition. The contrast between formal and informal artforms very evident in the Obama portrait. The Michelle pushes too close to folk art and loses something my opinion.

    A list of some 45 artworks chosen by the Obamas for the family quarters of the White House and the West and East Wings was made public in early October. It's a wide-ranging and sometimes surprising assortment
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    To be honest, when i first saw this, i thought it was satire..

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    Who ™ ?
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    FWIW the Obama's curiatorial choices are impressive. I'm humbled by their choices and artistic collections. Yet another reason to enjoy this once in my lifetime President.

    https://www.architecturaldigest.com/...ma-white-house
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    To be honest, when i first saw this, i thought it was satire..
    Every time I see one of your posts, i feel the same.

    But then the feeling passes. And i know the truth is more prosaic.

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    “Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    Every time I see one of your posts, i feel the same.

    But then the feeling passes. And i know the truth is more prosaic.
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    Wrll , im no art critic but i know bad painting when i sees it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    “Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.”


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    Is this play toe fellow another one of yer sock puppets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    I'm not sure you could distinguish your own feces from a bowl of chili con carne.
    Bobbys opinion here is just as relevant as yours Mr Baxter, and your comment is uncalled for and totally out of line. JayInOz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    The hypocrisy of using a Sean Spicer meme escapes you doesn't it ?

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    I think his portrait is wonderful - in a non-traditional way & it really shows his intensity. Michelle's misses her vivacity - which (IMO) is a key part of who she is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayInOz View Post
    Bobbys opinion here is just as relevant as yours Mr Baxter, and your comment is uncalled for and totally out of line. JayInOz
    It's a vulgar response to vulgar opinions in the most vulgar of times.

    Things have been done to people I love that I will never forget, and never forgive. I don't really expect to get through to anyone that their blithe and airy opinions cause irrevocable harm and disruption, that their glibness at the pain of others is the most obscene thing I've ever witnessed.

    I've never been good at pretending I don't know who I'm talking to. But I suppose I should work on compartmentalizing.

    I'm sorry to offend the innocent and I'll keep that more forward in my mind starting now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    It's a vulgar response to vulgar opinions in the most vulgar of times.

    Things have been done to people I love that I will never forget, and never forgive. I don't really expect to get through to anyone that their blithe and airy opinions cause irrevocable harm and disruption, that their glibness at the pain of others is the most obscene thing I've ever witnessed.

    I've never been good at pretending I don't know who I'm talking to. But I suppose I should work on compartmentalizing.

    I'm sorry to offend the innocent and I'll keep that more forward in my mind starting now.

    Wow, one learns something every day:

    However I am at a loss to understand why this is apparently a vulgar opinion.
    "Wrll , im no art critic but i know bad painting when i sees it."


    I would agree that this is a vulgar response
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    Hey rummy if your lunch tastes funny, maybe look a little closer at your plate.

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    My comment is very simple. I do not think the new portrait of Obama is a good likeness of the President. Not being an art critic or even very knowledgeable in the subject, I won't offer any details to support my layman's opinion. I don't really like any part of the picture and find some distortions that do not reflect reality to me..

    Finding myself in agreement with bobbys has been enough of a shock for one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Lathrop View Post
    My comment is very simple. I do not think the new portrait of Obama is a good likeness of the President. Not being an art critic or even very knowledgeable in the subject, I won't offer any details to support my layman's opinion. I don't really like any part of the picture and find some distortions that do not reflect reality to me..

    Finding myself in agreement with bobbys has been enough of a shock for one day.
    Different stroke for different folks Tom, I agree with Garret! Luckily, it's still legal To have differing opinions.

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    It seems nothing is as polarizing as art and politics. Put 'em together and... fireworks!
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    The two portraits don't float my boat. But If the Obama's like them that is all that really matters. This is not a matter I would waste emotion on either way. I don't understand people who get so fired up about the portraits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    The two portraits don't float my boat. But If the Obama's like them that is all that really matters. This is not a matter I would waste emotion on either way. I don't understand people who get so fired up about the portraits.
    No fireworks, it's just my opinion and Tom Montgomery is right!

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