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    Porterfeild makes custom shoes, they will provide any coefficient of friction you want.
    Note that the more aggressive lining material has to be hot to work well, (racing) and the cheap dime store (oem) material fails as it gets hot, so you need to pick a happy medium.

    It sounds like the brakes are working OK, if you are locking up the wheels, that is about it. The rear brake on a motorcycle is mostly useless anyway.
    My experience with the front brake type you have is pretty good, until you are operating over 100mph.
    Tires are likely the problem. Those are not road tires...

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    Not 100mph road tyres maybe ...but we're talkin' 450 ccs here and see how they compare to the stuff that most big trailies come shod with.

    and with all due respect ( the well known euphemistic phrase for....well, you know...) rear brakes are not 'mostly useless.' ride a bike with no front brake.... bad news , but at least you stop sooner or later. ride a bike with no rear brake and and you'll lose that front end quicker than you can say do you know a good dentist. Dirt , road, competition....there's not a bike been made with only a front brake ...(so there's a challenge) Speedway bikes don't have any brakes. There's a thought.
    'C'est la vie' say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell

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    Common Motor Collective has lots of parts for vintage Hondas. I've ordered both front and rear shoes.

    The tires are billed as 50/50 on/off road. I have in mind a certain set of conditions where they will make sense. They are a bit aggressive for pavement, but they add a nice little road thrum to accompany the motor buzz. Just rode 60 miles, 20 on gravel/ packed dirt. I am content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    I am content.
    contentedly cleaning the bike?
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Thats what its all about. ( not the cleaning bit)

    Enjoy yourself and take care.

    just finishing off the whole top end rebuild of the xl250... knobblies, drums all round no electrickery, kick only , lights off the alternator no battery...should be done tomorrow and then off into the local hills for some tests to see if it can be my lightweight off road tourer idea after all.
    'C'est la vie' say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell

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    Try to hold down the laughter, this is the only bike I wish I would have never sold. If I could find another on I'd be tempted to mount up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy View Post
    You cleaned the pads (shoes as has already been pointed out) with brake fluid? just re read the recent posts..... not surprising the brakes aren't much cop. It's oil. do no more. Bin the old ones. buy new ones or get them reshoed. On a vintage machine I had where it was simply impossible to get new shoes and the re-shoer was full of grief about riveting blah blah, I actually soaked them first in puré alcohol, for days , meths in UK, then benzine also for days,, then blow torched them with a mild ish flame, and the grease and oil bubbled out of the asbestos like crazy. spent as much time and money on the diluentes, and breathed in a fair range of carcinogens ..... ah we were so young then hahaha.
    No wonder I'm short a foot or so of lower bowel. Asbestosis takes forty years or so to get you usually, so Ill be waiting for the telegram from Buck House before that kicks in.
    I missed that! My little brain automatically read/thought Brake Cleaner. Yeah - brake fluid would ruin the shoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Adams View Post
    Try to hold down the laughter, this is the only bike I wish I would have never sold. If I could find another on I'd be tempted to mount up again.

    Precursor of the RD200 - I can well understand the temptation.
    Creationists aren't mad - they're possessed of demons.

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    Brake cleaner. In a spray can. Not fluid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    Brake cleaner. In a spray can. Not fluid.
    Phew! I thought it musta been.
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

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    Well, PISN also advised me not to grease the inside of the drums.

    Not getting much credit here for having half an ass, but that's ok. I feel right at home.

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    I don't see why anybody would laugh at that bike, Bob. Neat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    Well, PISN also advised me not to grease the inside of the drums.

    Not getting much credit here for having half an ass, but that's ok. I feel right at home.
    Well - you did say "Brake Fluid"... Not feeling the love?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Well - you did say "Brake Fluid"... Not feeling the love?
    Oh yeah, it's cool.

    I'm reasonably handy at a number of things, including proofreading, most of the time. But I've done very little bike maintenance, I appreciate people keeping an eye on me, sincerely. Hopefully the front doesn't fall off.

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    Putting a bevel on the leading edge of the brake lining can reduce grab quite a lot without impairing overall performance. It was standard practice back in the days when everything had drum brakes.
    There is nothing quite as permanent as a good temporary repair.

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    Just to reiterate, I appreciate the inputs and am not in the least insulted if anyone assumes the worst.

    It's probably wise to confirm that I'm not actually greasing/oiling my brake pads. People have done stranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    Brake cleaner. In a spray can. Not fluid.
    I thought that was what you meant. Much relieved.
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    for nature cannot be fooled."

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    Shoes...Shoes...SHOES
    'C'est la vie' say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell

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    Also, some mention has been made of "100 mph", and I just think onlookers should know, that's not happening. Haven't even touched 60 in the last several outings. Have to keep the speed down in case I need to stop it with my...shoes.

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    No - the stoppy things aren't "boots"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    Well, PISN also advised me not to grease the inside of the drums.

    Not getting much credit here for having half an ass, but that's ok. I feel right at home.
    I'm concerned about this statement and how burros and donkeys feel about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    I'm concerned about this statement and how burros and donkeys feel about it.
    I thought it was an idiom. But I just googled the phrase and came up with nothing?

    I recall my Dad, as teenage me had just gainsayed him for several years in a row, grimacing "how 'bout you give me credit for having half an ass!"

    Come to think on it, I've never heard anyone else say it. But I use it all the time.

    Maybe he invented it on the spot. Pretty impressive if so.
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    How's that rear brake working out?


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    If you keep the front drum greased, that doesn't happen.

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    I have motorsycle ads on my WB footer now, see whut you done.

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    Its what the leg burner pipes make you do.

    Hey!.. bacon toasted sandwich pocket!
    no no , just go with it , no royaties required.

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    It's doable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    How's that rear brake working out?

    that would give me skidmarks, and not on the road either.
    'C'est la vie' say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell

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    Rode over to my folks' place, tried the "off road" tires on the field road, packed dirt and grass mostly...but a few stretches of really slippery mud.

    I'm not gonna lie, I barely made it out alive.

    What I've got now is a surprisingly strong and durable antique not-quite-street-and-not-really-off-road bike. In other words, it's perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Like turn the other cheek.
    Would that not imply that the 'half an ass' was horizontally and not vertically split. And technically it would be "turn the other half-cheek".
    'When I leave I don't know what I'm hoping to find. When I leave I don't know what I'm leaving behind...'

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    Welp. Put the 16L tank and short/wide seat on. These are from a '72 cb450.

    Back seat fits hinge location and rests correctly on tank, but floats above frame about an inch taller than the CL seat. Weird. I think may be the rear fender was mounted higher on the CL.

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    What was your range on the other tank? And how comfortable is the new seat?

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    The original tank is only 9L. About 100 miles before needing the reserve pickup. This tank should add 80 or 90 miles to the effective range.

    The seat is fine but it is taller and I am no longer able to rest the balls of my feet on the ground. On tippy toes.

    Maybe I can find a way to lower it. Maybe just bend it.

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    Actually, I'm wrong, the front of the seat is not resting where it should, either. The seat needs to move back half an inch.

    The CL seat uses two side hinges, the CB uses single rear. What I need to do is remove the rear hinge so the seat rest an inch lower, directly on the frame bridge, in back, and attach hinges on the side so it rests down on the frame like the original seat.

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    Well, the cargo rack turned into a whole "thing", too. Doesn't really fit right, forward forks barely reach the posts, and weight bearing bracket doesn't mate with signal light brackets. I made new signal light posts with axle bolts; cut the heads off and ground a wiring groove in them.

    Removed hinge from the cb seat, now resting closer to where it should but I'm still contemplating how to attach it.

    And bigger fish to fry: now on start up the motor runs away as if the throttle is wide open. I surmise I dislodged some crud in the tank switching process and now something is stuck open.

    Anyway, with the seat settled in and the rack hacked into place:

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