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    I have my plans and will be building to 2X the size drawn on the plans.
    That will make a 25 1/4" LOD model.

    I will make more posts.
    Maid of Endor is 20 feet 3 and 1/2 inches LOA

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    Subscribed!

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    Looking forward to the build!
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    Have you got a build log on modelshipworld.com? Pretty sure it would be appreciated over there as well as here.
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    Excellent! Will be looking forward to it!

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    Instead of looking forward to it, YOU should be working on your 1:1 scale of her.
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    Wonderful! I thoroughly enjoy watching your work.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Thanks for the interest webishop14!
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    I always enjoy your modelmaking, Don. Will it be plank on frame, again?

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    Yes Jim, it will be plank on frame.
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    Monday Jan. 22nd 2018.
    Today I have finished the assembly of the six piece keel.
    I have doubled the size of the Atkins drawings which were 5/8=1" scale.
    But remember that a copy machine,(they are are all different), does not give accurate results.
    Turns out 200% was to large and so I copied at 185% for correct size.

    So this way I just double what the drawing shows.


    I will start cutting frames/ (moulds) now.
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    Today I finished cutting patterns for the frames/moulds.
    I also noticed that the plans say there are 16 planks per side but the drawing shows only 15 per side.
    I cut out the curved transom piece.


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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Monday Jan. 22nd 2018.
    Today I have finished the assembly of the six piece keel.
    I have doubled the size of the Atkins drawings which were 5/8=1" scale.
    But remember that a copy machine,(they are are all different), does not give accurate results.
    Turns out 200% was to large and so I copied at 185% for correct size.

    So this way I just double what the drawing shows.

    I will start cutting frames/ (moulds) now.
    As you probably know, xerographic reproduction sometimes is prone to spherical aberration on smaller and cheaper machines. I have had less problems with larger copiers made for as large as 18"x22" architectural drawings. It can be maddening, though, when the copies are off by a smidgen at the outer edges of the copies. Nothing fits together exactly at the edges when the sheets are taped together. Depending upon the scale, the "lofting" can be off by a substantial amount when used for construction patterns.

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    I am not lofting this design.
    I will deal with the errors as they pop up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    I am not lofting this design.
    I will deal with the errors as they pop up.
    That makes perfect sense in a model at this scale.

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    I'm following along with interest and curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Cleek View Post
    That makes perfect sense in a model at this scale.
    I agree the scale makes very little work compared to a full scale boat.
    The drawings for this boat are good but they did not include a drawing of the keel from a top view.
    So the the shape of the keel from frame #2 forward does not show the transition to the stem.
    Also the stern and keel shape are not shown.
    The rudder on the full scale boat is 1-3/4" thickness so I made the stern post taper to about 2 inches on a 5/8 scale.
    Not many photos on line of this part of the boat but it is a familiar boat shape I am sure.
    The instruction about the rudder says the aft edge of the rudder is tapered also.
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    Today I built more frames and tapered the keel fore and aft to conform to stem and stern.
    No drawing of this in the plans. But doing this before setting up frames will make it easiebr /> to do the work.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Have you got a build log on modelshipworld.com? Pretty sure it would be appreciated over there as well as here.
    When I try to sign up on modelshipworld.com I get a message that says I did not pass the security check.
    I tried different things but to no avail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    So the the shape of the keel from frame #2 forward does not show the transition to the stem.
    Also the stern and keel shape are not shown.
    I imagine you will be able to eyeball the transition with the placement of the frames.
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    Odd. I'm not sure why that would be. Maybe contact one of the administrators? I can't recall if you can see stuff without being a member so I have no idea if you know what it's like. I enjoy it immensely. I don't consider myself a model builder by any stretch compared to these guys. I build plastic models and poorly at that. (in my opinion). There are some absolute masterworks on that site. Scratch built 74s at 1:24 scale. Awesome. I'm sure they'd love to see what you're doing, your work is awesome in my opinion. I'm sure there's stuff you would enjoy there as well.
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    In the table of offsets, if you have that, the half breadths of the rabbet line at each station will give you the backbone taper. The width of the rabbet line is also shown in the lines plan in the top-down view. I would ease the taper a bit more forward so it is less dramatic. It will also carry up to the bottom of the transom of course.

    You may also get some clues from the body plan view on the lines drawing. Its subtle at this scale. Very subtle.


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    Post #12: "I cut out the curved transom piece". Quite the understatement since a curved, raked transom is a very complex beast, indeed. Impressive.
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    It is my normal assumption that a keel has to allow for a plank landing of twice the plank thickness that guides me if information is lacking.It looks like another fine build is well under way.I have yet to try a plank on frame model,just carved half models for a while and threads like this encourage me to go for the other half and maybe after a few attempts to reach Donald's high standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    I imagine you will be able to eyeball the transition with the placement of the frames.
    Yes, There are clues. Looking from the bottom of the keel also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Post #12: "I cut out the curved transom piece". Quite the understatement since a curved, raked transom is a very complex beast, indeed. Impressive.
    I started with a piece of 3/4" pine and used a belt sander to "carve" the shape ,inside and out.
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    Thanks for the compliment. The plans text say 16 planks per side but I only count 15 planks on the scale drawing.
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    When cutting out frames from copies of the plans, cut out the entire frame including the inside area

    This is important because the paper is very floppy and can move around. I made two mistakes because of this.

    After you cut the outside shape from wood then you can cut out the center if needed.
    Many of these frame or moulds will not show anyway. You can just leave them in the model.
    Of course you will want to remove the center of the frames for the cockpit area or other areas you want visible.

    If you want the steamed frames to show in the cockpit you can add those.

    The frames on the full size boat are 1-3/4 feet apart. If I was building the boat full size I would just use full thickness frames.
    I would skip those steamed frames. Every boat that I have seen with steamed frames, they are broken and rotten anyway.
    I would make the planking just a little thicker if possible too. As long as the planks can be bent without breaking.
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    [QUOTE=J.Madison;5460210]In the table of offsets, if you have that, the half breadths of the rabbet line at each station will give you the backbone taper. The width of the rabbet line is also shown in the lines plan in the top-down view. I would ease the taper a bit more forward so it is less dramatic. It will also carry up to the bottom of the transom of course.

    You may also get some clues from the body plan view on the lines drawing. Its subtle at this scale. Very subtle.



    On this Atkins design there are steam bent frames between moulds.
    There are no ears on the moulds. Notice the pockets chiseled above the rabbit.
    Photo from Atkins "Arabella" which is the same construction as Maid of Endor.
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    Sweet little boat!
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    Many people like this boat. That is why I selected it. I just hope I build it well enough that I will be proud of it.
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    Today I cut the rabbit in the keel with a Dremel tool. Frame #8 is giving me lots of problems. I do not know why.
    Maybe working on such a small scale.
    I was having more problems with the frames than other models I have built.
    This is kind of a fat looking boat.
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    Good work Donald, I'm sure you'll get it done up nice. In one way modeling is harder than doing it full size, getting those fiddly bits to stay where you want.

    What tools do use for milling and shaping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBrookman View Post
    Good work Donald, I'm sure you'll get it done up nice. In one way modeling is harder than doing it full size, getting those fiddly bits to stay where you want.

    What tools do use for milling and shaping?
    small band saw.
    Small belt sander disc sander combo.
    Dremel tool.
    #11 exacto knife.
    sandpaper.
    tape.
    string.
    yellow wood glue.
    small clamps.
    coffee.
    treats.
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    Four planks each side.
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