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    Warning for model builders.
    Today I went to a hardware store to buy a wood dowel to make a mast for this model.
    All of the boxes of dowels now say "Poplar wood".
    Poplar wood has a green tint to it and it warps like crazy. Do you want to replace the mast? I Didn't think so.
    Matter of fact I took about (8) 1/2" dowels out of the display box and the were all warped!
    That was at Lowe's.
    Then I went to ACE hardware and all of those said "Poplar wood" also.
    They only had one !/2" diameter dowel and it was really warped!
    So next was HOME DEPOT store. Thankfully those dowels we OAK Yeah!!!
    They were straight.
    So this mast for this boat will be OAK.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Warning for model builders.
    Today I went to a hardware store to buy a wood dowel to make a mast for this model.
    All of the boxes of dowels now say "Poplar wood".
    Poplar wood has a green tint to it and it warps like crazy. Do you want to replace the mast? I Didn't think so.
    Matter of fact I took about (8) 1/2" dowels out of the display box and the were all warped!
    That was at Lowe's.
    Then I went to ACE hardware and all of those said "Poplar wood" also.
    They only had one !/2" diameter dowel and it was really warped!
    So next was HOME DEPOT store. Thankfully those dowels we OAK Yeah!!!
    They were straight.
    So this mast for this boat will be OAK.
    If you can use heat to bend wood, you can use heat to straighten it. Just sayin.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Trying to unbend a warped mast would be a nightmare.
    The model would have to be moved from the case and then the rigging would have to be cut away etc.,.
    Then why would you want to unbend a $2.00 mast?

    Anyway none of my other models have had a mast warp.
    That would be heart breaking.
    Some models I do not have anymore. They were sold.
    But I never used Poplar wood.
    It was oak ,pine or something. No Poplar wood.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    WHAT! No Bird's Mouth Mast!?! Good choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Trying to unbend a warped mast would be a nightmare.
    The model would have to be moved from the case and then the rigging would have to be cut away etc.,.
    Then why would you want to unbend a $2.00 mast?

    Anyway none of my other models have had a mast warp.
    That would be heart breaking.
    Some models I do not have anymore. They were sold.
    But I never used Poplar wood.
    It was oak ,pine or something. No Poplar wood.
    There was a whooshing sound just then as that went straight over your head. Straighten the stock before you shape and install the mast, silly.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    She is looking really nice, thanks so much for posting these great pictures! I am staying tuned to see her with rigging.

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    It's been decades since I built my 20'gaff rigged sloop. That boat is long gone out of my life and I still miss her. I've still got the lines plan and table of offsets. Going through this thread gives me the yearning to build a model. Perhaps next winter.
    Thanks for the inspiration!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    There was a whooshing sound just then as that went straight over your head. Straighten the stock before you shape and install the mast, silly.
    Answer.....No. LoL
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    Thanks Jason!
    The rigging really gives it the detail that it needs.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    There is nothing as satisfying as a nice model boat in your home to look at when you walk through.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Answer.....No.
    I realise that you have decided not to as you already have the stock. It just means you are committed to filling the oak grain and painting the mast rather than finishing it bright.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I think a steam-unbent poplar mast may warp in the future. Just saying.

    /Mats
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    Nice detailing Donald. I only use models for testing calculations, perhaps one day i might get time to set them up as display models.
    Bridgedecks are ,in my experience, an essential in a small offshore boat. If you sail inland or in waters where you are never expecting a cockpit full of green water, then perhaps a companionway open to the cockpit sole is fine.
    Could you have split the bent dowl, turned and glued it back up on a straight edge? I never had much luck cutting small diameter rod, so i usually whittle down from square stock.
    Nice colour combination!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohsart View Post
    I think a steam-unbent poplar mast may warp in the future. Just saying.

    /Mats
    Why? Change in humidity causes warping. For a display model kept inside that is unlikely.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Why? Change in humidity causes warping. For a display model kept inside that is unlikely.
    The ash floors in our house talk to us when the wx changes. When we lived in NJ you could almost see the seams in the old oak floors open and close with the seasons, even needed a dehumidifier to keep them from buckling. Being indoors doesn't control humidity unless you live in an airtight box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBrookman View Post
    The ash floors in our house talk to us when the wx changes. When we lived in NJ you could almost see the seams in the old oak floors open and close with the seasons, even needed a dehumidifier to keep them from buckling. Being indoors doesn't control humidity unless you live in an airtight box.
    Or in England.
    We do not suffer as you seem to do. Probably the benefit of a maritime rather than continental climate.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaraborgcraft View Post
    Nice detailing Donald. I only use models for testing calculations, perhaps one day i might get time to set them up as display models.
    Bridgedecks are ,in my experience, an essential in a small offshore boat. If you sail inland or in waters where you are never expecting a cockpit full of green water, then perhaps a companionway open to the cockpit sole is fine.
    Could you have split the bent dowl, turned and glued it back up on a straight edge? I never had much luck cutting small diameter rod, so i usually whittle down from square stock.
    Nice colour combination!
    Thanks Skaraborgcraft!
    I agree about water getting into the boat offshore.
    Some boats are designed with the companionway opening well above the cockpit floor.
    The hatch design is important too.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    I am working on the rigging and getting or making all the parts and pieces.
    I cannot find cranse irons though. I have really looked hard. I know they used to make them.
    Photos:

    The bottom of the spreader showing the hounds cheeks holding up the spreader.

    Top view.

    Bowsprit.

    This is the yoke for the boom. Also while doing rigging it is important to keep the
    top of the boat covered with a cloth to prevent wood shavings,paint,or anything from
    damaging the top of the boat, or from falling inside the boat.
    The yokes will get painted white.
    You can pin the yokes through the boom with a tooth pick by drilling a .070 thousandths
    hole. Then off the ends and sand.
    Last edited by donald branscom; 03-09-2018 at 02:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    I am working on the rigging and getting or making all the parts and pieces.
    I cannot find cranse irons though. I have really looked hard. I know they used to make them.
    I make fittings like that out of copper wire striped out of electrical cable and scrap copper sheet. Soldered or brazed/silver soldered. I hear that brass is more favoured by exhibition class model-makers, but it can be hard to source in small quantities.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Brass contains copper.
    I use either one.
    To me the hard part is soldering ears" onto the mast band.

    Brass is easy to get in the USA. Most hardware stores and hobby shops sell it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Brass contains copper.
    I use either one.
    To me the hard part is soldering ears" onto the mast band.

    Brass is easy to get in the USA. Most hardware stores and hobby shops sell it.
    That is probably easier to make than this sort

    Because you can leave the lugs over long to fit in a jig and then trim after it has cooled.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I have not made those Cranse Irons yet but I got a great idea last night.
    Meanwhile I completed the upper boom yoke for the mainsail.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    I'm enjoying this Donald. Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Madison View Post
    I'm enjoying this Donald. Thanks for sharing.
    You are welcome. Thanks!
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Today I got down to business and made those two cranse irons.
    I first formed a flat band with 1/8 x 1/32 brass flat strip into a circle and soldered the joint.
    Then I made loops with brass wire and soldered each one on. I clipped the ends off with a finger nail trimmer.
    You have to put a metal clip on each loop so that as you solder it ,the previous loop does not get too hot and fall off.


    and the bowsprit...
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    ^ Proper job.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    ^ Proper job.
    Thanks Peerie Maa!
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    Been off the WBF for awhile, but what a pleasure to find this when I logged in today. Nice to see you building another model Donald. It's looking fine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Today I got down to business and made those two cranse irons.
    I first formed a flat band with 1/8 x 1/32 brass flat strip into a circle and soldered the joint.
    Then I made loops with brass wire and soldered each one on. I clipped the ends off with a finger nail trimmer.
    You have to put a metal clip on each loop so that as you solder it ,the previous loop does not get too hot and fall off.


    and the bowsprit...
    A small bit of apple or uncooked potato on those eyes will serve as a good heat sink as well. Another trick is to find various types of silver solder which melt at different temperatures and use those in order of how quickly they will melt, with the type requiring the highest temperature to melt being first in order. Soldering rings like that is always difficult. I've found that cranes irons can be "faked" by fitting the band on the mast, drilling holes where the eyes go, right through the band, and then bending the eyes with a "tail" that can be fastened into the hole with a bit of glue. If the holes are drilled off to one side of the band, the "eye" can simply be bent in a "U" shape with one "leg" of the "U" being longer than the other. The long leg goes into the hole and the other leg of the "U" buts up against the band and can now be soldered easily while held in place by the "long leg."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Cleek View Post
    A small bit of apple or uncooked potato on those eyes will serve as a good heat sink as well. Another trick is to find various types of silver solder which melt at different temperatures and use those in order of how quickly they will melt, with the type requiring the highest temperature to melt being first in order. Soldering rings like that is always difficult. I've found that cranes irons can be "faked" by fitting the band on the mast, drilling holes where the eyes go, right through the band, and then bending the eyes with a "tail" that can be fastened into the hole with a bit of glue. If the holes are drilled off to one side of the band, the "eye" can simply be bent in a "U" shape with one "leg" of the "U" being longer than the other. The long leg goes into the hole and the other leg of the "U" buts up against the band and can now be soldered easily while held in place by the "long leg."
    I thought of the idea of just drilling into the band and skipping the ring obr /> tab but I told myself I was just wanting to make it easier on myself.
    Anyway I made them look right.

    Thanks for the other ideas too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Armstrong View Post
    Been off the WBF for awhile, but what a pleasure to find this when I logged in today. Nice to see you building another model Donald. It's looking fine!
    Thanks Ed and welcome back yourself.
    I have moved from the SF bay area to Tucson.
    My wife and I found a nice house too!
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    I have been waiting for 13 days for model boat rigging parts.
    I should have just started making them myself.
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    Sounds frustrating Donald. Hopefully they will arrive soon. Who is providing the hardware?

    How are you liking Tuscon? I lived in Albuquerque for a few years before moving back to the northern California foothills near where I spent my childhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Armstrong View Post
    Sounds frustrating Donald. Hopefully they will arrive soon. Who is providing the hardware?

    How are you liking Tuscon? I lived in Albuquerque for a few years before moving back to the northern California foothills near where I spent my childhood.
    Most of the model boat parts come from Ontario.
    Some come from GB.
    Some come from Italy.
    I really wish I could get the parts in the US.
    I did get the prop from Dumas model boats in Tucson!
    I like Tucson as I grew up here. So I know the town.
    Very hot in the Summer months but the rest of the year the weather is in the 70's.
    A lot less expensive than northern California. For example...Smog check just drive thru and pay $12.00,
    Blueberries only 99 cents. Eggs $1.00 per dozen. Gas $2.30 per gallon.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    I am working on the rigging and details now on the model.
    And of course waiting for some small parts to come in the mail.

    Last edited by donald branscom; 03-24-2018 at 01:27 PM.
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