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    While it may well be an issue, an article that starts off with (bold mine):

    The northern spotted owl, the bird that brought down the Pacific Northwest timber industry,
    is an article written by someone with a very slanted political view. While there may be (are) some logging issues in the PNW, I think a whole lot of loggers would be surprised to learn that their industry had been taken down.
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    It's certainly possible that rodent poisons are killing spotted & barred owls - as they eat rodents. My issue is a "report" that starts off with a politically based BS statement is one where the objectivity is suspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    It's certainly possible that rodent poisons are killing spotted & barred owls - as they eat rodents. My issue is a "report" that starts off with a politically based BS statement is one where the objectivity is suspect.
    Barred Owls are new arrivals, they dominate over the Spotted Owls, less particular in nesting habits to begin with. As far as poison, what is the poison being put out for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    Barred Owls are new arrivals, they dominate over the Spotted Owls, less particular in nesting habits to begin with. As far as poison, what is the poison being put out for?
    Um - AFAIK, rat poison is usually used to kill rats...
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    The poison could be to kill the owl that has ruined the logging industry.

    No owl, no problem

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    http://beta.latimes.com/local/califo...111-story.html

    The poison is being put out to protect marijuana farms from rodents.

    Images of dead and dying bobcats, mountain lions, coyotes and owls shared among residents in the vicinity of the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area in 2016 attributed the animals' condition to the ingestion of prey contaminated with rodenticides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Um - AFAIK, rat poison is usually used to kill rats...
    Around the house and in the marijuana fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    http://beta.latimes.com/local/califo...111-story.html

    The poison is being put out to protect marijuana farms from rodents.
    Illegal cannabis grows are one reason I support legalizing it here. The damage done to some of the Sierra ecosystems is horrific.
    To say nothing of the sheer terror of coming face to face with a machine gun toting criminal in the mountains.

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    Is sounds like they should use the money from taxes on the legal sales to fight the illegal growers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    Is sounds like they should use the money from taxes on the legal sales to fight the illegal growers.
    Hopefully the laws will tighten up the existing regulations, which allow much grey and black market activity to occur.

    I donít know, but I hope.

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    That's a peculiar story, in that it doesn't tell us what the poison is, and whether it affects people who smoke the pot. Not a high standard of journalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Hopefully the laws will tighten up the existing regulations, which allow much grey and black market activity to occur.

    I don’t know, but I hope.

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    Sessions of course, is working backwards Robert!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    That's a peculiar story, in that it doesn't tell us what the poison is, and whether it affects people who smoke the pot. Not a high standard of journalism.
    From the LA Times article
    Seven of 10 spotted owls and 34 of 84 barred owls collected between 2009 and 2013 tested positive for anticoagulant rodenticides, the study published Thursday in the journal Avian Conservation and Ecology shows.
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    All of the owls collected were from remote forested lands with no nearby urban or agricultural settings, suggesting the sources were marijuana farms, Gabriel said.

    Anticoagulants had been used until 2014, when California banned the sale to the public of so-called second-generation rat poison, which is more toxic than earlier versions and remains in a target's body at such high levels that other animals feeding on a rat carcass often also die.

    Anticoagulants rodenticides were not found, however, in rodents within the study area. But that was not unexpected, the study says, since rat poison is "acutely toxic and likely to kill rodents in a matter of days."

    The researchers said further study is needed to better understand the magnitude of the contamination and its effects on fledgling survival and embryos.

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    So, the growers' customers are okay if they don't eat rats?

    As far as the damage illegal growers do, I'm sure this is the tip of the iceberg.

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    It likely doesn't affect the pot smokers much unless they get the munchies and munch on the poisoned rodents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    So, the growers' customers are okay if they don't eat rats?

    As far as the damage illegal growers do, I'm sure this is the tip of the iceberg.
    Carnivores do though John. If people are only concerned about themselves, I feel sorry for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    Carnivores do though John. If people are only concerned about themselves, I feel sorry for them.
    Yes, we already knew about the carnivores, but since the kind of poison invalved wasn't named in the story, we didn't know about humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Yes, we already knew about the carnivores, but since the kind of poison invalved wasn't named in the story, we didn't know about humans.
    It's been posted since the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    Sessions of course, is working backwards Robert!
    Can you imagine the lobbying and the donations against decriminalisation from the criminal growers? Follow the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    It's been posted since the OP.
    No, the original story does not tell what the poison is.

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    Seven of 10 spotted owls and 34 of 84 barred owls collected between 2009 and 2013 tested positive for anticoagulant rodenticides, the study published Thursday in the journal Avian Conservation and Ecology shows.
    Anticoagulants had been used until 2014, when California banned the sale to the public of so-called second-generation rat poison, which is more toxic than earlier versions and remains in a target's body at such high levels that other animals feeding on a rat carcass often also die.
    The PDF here discusses the difference of the rodenticides
    http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/registra...nal_assess.pdf

    The story does not say whether the anticoagulant rodenticides found in the study were first generation or the now banned second generation. The owls tested were collected before the ban. The ban in 2014 might have already helped the California owls.

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