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    Beat down exploited southern whites who never owned a slave were the cannon fodder for their cavalier lordlings. Nothing's changed. Poor southern whites still do the bidding of the rich and aim their huge resentments at non-southerners and non-whites.

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    Though this graphic singles out Southern voters... the fact is, it applies to all Republican voters who aren't multi-millionaires. You are being played... and our nation is suffering for it.
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    If we don't believe in the nanny state, then we don't stand around wondering why our government hasn't made us richer. Liberals made Bezos the richest man in the history of the world this week. Liberals and moderate Republicans have radically concentrated all the world's wealth into the hands of just a few over the last thirty years. And, much of it was redistributed to the .05% of the world's wealthiest by the liberal governments.
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    Liberals made Bezos the richest man in the history of the world this week.
    yep, which explains why TN & KY - hardly liberal bastions - have this reality..

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Though this graphic singles out Southern voters... the fact is, it applies to all Republican voters who aren't multi-millionaires. You are being played... and our nation is suffering for it.
    Thank you David for clarifying this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landrith View Post
    If we don't believe in the nanny state, then we don't stand around wondering why our government hasn't made us richer. Liberals made Bezos the richest man in the history of the world this week. Liberals and moderate Republicans have radically concentrated all the world's wealth into the hands of just a few over the last thirty years. And, much of it was redistributed to the .05% of the world's wealthiest by the liberal governments.
    There are many on this board who will have a better argument than I but the last 40 years have been a hard right turn for this country. The conservatives own the state of inequality the world is currently experiencing. There hasn't been a liberal in the white house since Jimmy Carter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    Beat down exploited southern whites who never owned a slave were the cannon fodder for their cavalier lordlings. Nothing's changed. Poor southern whites still do the bidding of the rich and aim their huge resentments at non-southerners and non-whites.
    It's just tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landrith View Post
    If we don't believe in the nanny state, then we don't stand around wondering why our government hasn't made us richer. Liberals made Bezos the richest man in the history of the world this week. Liberals and moderate Republicans have radically concentrated all the world's wealth into the hands of just a few over the last thirty years. And, much of it was redistributed to the .05% of the world's wealthiest by the liberal governments.
    I'm curious...

    I'm sure you understand that I stole the graphic in the OP. Then posted it here. But I have no idea WHO created it. And I wonder... if you, perhaps, knew the creator personally.

    And - a followup question...

    When a meme is based upon you, do you get some sort of notice? Are there royalties that accrue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    I'm curious...

    I'm sure you understand that I stole the graphic in the OP. Then posted it here. But I have no idea WHO created it. And I wonder... if you, perhaps, knew the creator personally.

    And - a followup question...

    When a meme is based upon you, do you get some sort of notice? Are there royalties that accrue?
    Only if it's memeographed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landrith View Post
    Liberals made Bezos the richest man in the history of the world this week.
    Wow! We sure read a lot of books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    I'm curious...

    I'm sure you understand that I stole the graphic in the OP. Then posted it here. But I have no idea WHO created it. And I wonder... if you, perhaps, knew the creator personally.

    And - a followup question...

    When a meme is based upon you, do you get some sort of notice? Are there royalties that accrue?
    Landrith?
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    David G, It was my mom's side of the family, the Morgan clan that did the raiding at least in the name of the Southern States if not actually under the command of Richmond. I identify with the Landrith Union army ancestors, the low rank soldiers that were on the side of global bankers, eliminating the taxation of the wealthy capitalists via tariffs and putting it on the citizens of America, and replacing slavery with a more modern and total means of exploitation. A Short History of American Capitalism:TWO WORKING CLASSES, 1790-1865 http://www.newhistory.org/CH04.htm

    I am sure Abraham Lincoln, being a corporation man would have approved of President Obama's radical subsidizations of Jeff Bezos (http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/jeff-bezo...t-and-the-cia/ , http://amsterdamnews.com/news/2017/s...mazons-growth/) and Elon Musk ( Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies http://beta.latimes.com/business/la-...531-story.html), and the protection of Jamie Dimon from prosecution for confiscating the wealth of the Black American middle class ( How Obama Destroyed Black Wealth https://jacobinmag.com/2017/12/obama...lth-inequality ). Debating DiLorenzo: The Corrupt Lincoln wcrossroads.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/debating-dilorenzo-the-corrupt-lincoln/
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    Landrith - that's all interesting of course, but I'm not sure how addresses the topic. Can you elucidate?

    I know of Mr. Weinberg, mostly because I came quite close to attending U.Mass-Amherst. But what's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Landrith - that's all interesting of course, but I'm not sure how addresses the topic. Can you elucidate?

    I know of Mr. Weinberg, mostly because I came quite close to attending U.Mass-Amherst. But what's your point?
    The OP is a continuation in the vein of "poorly educated Republicans are unable to understand that voting for candidates that emphasize small government, lower taxes, and a return to constitutional government leaves them directly deprived of the benefits of a social safety net big government could provide and that they, the working poor and now unemployed needed while corporations benefited from the decreased taxes and the pruning of the regulatory state that was forcing corporations to pollute less and protect their workers' safety." I think this theme was first developed in magazine articles in the late 70's early 80's about former rust belt workers and their families that lost their middle class factory jobs and moved to Texas and lived in trailers while they looked for oil field jobs. Then became the theme of What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America (2004), a book by American journalist and historian Thomas Frank (not about a Southern state).

    I am just being persnikity and am pointing out that under the moderate Republican Bushes, Clinton, and most extremely Obama , tremendous public/civic wealth was redistributed from the people to the .05% wealthiest people in the world. In my working class Socialist university's Social Sciences department, we were taught big government was created to better serve the robber barons like Rockefeller's Standard Oil. You can see this today in a way that our board members and North Eastern liberals who criticized the expansion of Walmarts and the killing off of community mom and pop retailers should understand. Trump Criticizes Post Office for Charging Amazon ‘So Little’ The president, in a tweet, says USPS is making the retailer ‘richer and the Post Office dumber and poorer’ https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-c...tle-1514560466 . Thomas Frank probably won't talk to me the next time he is back in town and out at Kelly's Westport Inn, but I think big government enslaves us and is ultimately against the interests of the people.

    I can't find it readily on the internet, but I remember labor efficiency studies at the Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond, Virginia, the biggest ironworks in the Confederacy during the American Civil War showed that semi educated but disposable Irish immigrants (which did not need to be maintained when they were not working) were more cost effective in manufacturing than Black slaves which were mortgaged capital assets that needed to be fed, clothed, and kept in good health,just like my Liberal Elite Plantation owners want to do for me while they use my nation's research and development to figure out a way to reduce the worlds population to 500,000 of their friends and family....lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landrith View Post
    The OP is a continuation in the vein of "poorly educated Republicans are unable to understand that voting for candidates that emphasize small government, lower taxes, and a return to constitutional government leaves them directly deprived of the benefits of a social safety net big government could provide and that they, the working poor and now unemployed needed while corporations benefited from the decreased taxes and the pruning of the regulatory state that was forcing corporations to pollute less and protect their workers' safety." I think this theme was first developed in magazine articles in the late 70's early 80's about former rust belt workers and their families that lost their middle class factory jobs and moved to Texas and lived in trailers while they looked for oil field jobs. Then became the theme of What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America (2004), a book by American journalist and historian Thomas Frank (not about a Southern state).

    I am just being persnikity and am pointing out that under the moderate Republican Bushes, Clinton, and most extremely Obama , tremendous public/civic wealth was redistributed from the people to the .05% wealthiest people in the world. In my working class Socialist university's Social Sciences department, we were taught big government was created to better serve the robber barons like Rockefeller's Standard Oil. You can see this today in a way that our board members and North Eastern liberals who criticized the expansion of Walmarts and the killing off of community mom and pop retailers should understand. Trump Criticizes Post Office for Charging Amazon ‘So Little’ The president, in a tweet, says USPS is making the retailer ‘richer and the Post Office dumber and poorer’ https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-c...tle-1514560466 . Thomas Frank probably won't talk to me the next time he is back in town and out at Kelly's Westport Inn, but I think big government enslaves us and is ultimately against the interests of the people.

    I can't find it readily on the internet, but I remember labor efficiency studies at the Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond, Virginia, the biggest ironworks in the Confederacy during the American Civil War showed that semi educated but disposable Irish immigrants (which did not need to be maintained when they were not working) were more cost effective in manufacturing than Black slaves which were mortgaged capital assets that needed to be fed, clothed, and kept in good health,just like my Liberal Elite Plantation owners want to do for me while they use my nation's research and development to figure out a way to reduce the worlds population to 500,000 of their friends and family....lol
    There is some truth to your assertion. The OP does speak to the notion you mention. But that's only part of what it speaks to. It also raises the question of why a region, or a group, would so consistently vote against their own (and the nation's, btw) larger interests. It broaches the subject of how people are being played by the monied interests. I've answered that question, in part, before. Here kit is again. It is this larger pendulum swing that is the danger. And the propaganda-driven misjudgment shown in the OP is simply a symptom of the power-grab --

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    At its best, conservatism as shown by aline of American conservatives from George Washington through SenatorTaft embody the wonderous if boring virtue of rectitude.Unfortunatly, this is a tough virtue to maintain, quickly becomingthe judgemental hipocracy we see in the hateful talking heads who sodevalue meaning that they demonize the word "liberal" anddon't live up to any of the virtues found in the dictionarydefinition of conservative. They are not conservative in the positivesense but rather are only defenders of power and wealth.






    Mr. McColgin,

    I've come lateto this thread, but I have to say I think you have touched on thecore phenomenon. One of the long term patterns inherent in our systemof market capitalism (combined with democratic elections) is anongoing pendulum swing between the extremes of laissez-fairecapitalism on one hand, and Scandinavian-style "marketsocialism" on the other.

    Full disclosure: I'mnon-doctrinaire, but tend to lean toward the progressive side.However, my undergraduate work was in economics w/graduate work ineconomic history & economic development.

    Toelaborate: market capitalism is a very efficient system for fosteringinnovation, accumulating capital, and developing economies. Thispowerful engine is driven by a particular side of human nature: theceaseless dynamo of human need and human greed. Don't think I'mcondemning. I'm not. For the most part market capitalism does a greatjob of channeling this drive into productive avenues.

    However,it is also true that - left unchecked - market capitalism has somebuilt-in destructive tendencies. Historically, the continued accrualof more & more capital & power into fewer & fewer handshas led to an inefficient funtioning of the economy. More speculativebubbles. More oscillations. Eventual instability. One example is theGreat Depression. Hoover was an absolute True Believer in the notionthat "The business of America is business". He thought therich getting richer and the poor getting poorer was good for thecountry. He was not the only one. The process began before him. Hewas just the Final Fool before the fall in that particular episode ofthe drama.

    What followed the Great Depression was a rapidswing of the pendulum to the far end of the spectrum. Rooseveltinstituted Social Security; Unemployment Insurance; WPA programs; anda bevy of other programs which were the antithesis of Hoover'sapproach. Socialism, all of it. Don't think I'm condemning. Itworked, and it has a place in our society. We are a far more stableeconomy now - with these programs in place - than we were before.

    Icould go on and on with the variations, ramifications, andpermutations of the pattern. Also about the dangers if the pendulumswings too far (we're close right now) toward laissez-faire (thinkWeimar Germany and Adolph Hitler). Instead, I'll sum up by saying itis not - as Keith so wisely notes - a case of "us vs. them".It is a case of recognizing where we are in the pendulum swing, andaccepting whatever corrections are in order... even if that leadsaway from your particular ideological island.

    Right now,as I mentioned, we've swung a good long way toward uncheckedcapitalism. It's time for a correction. Conservatives should not howlat the prospect. They should welcome it as a normal, desirable,adjustment (think "market correction" if it makes you feelbetter). Liberals should not think that the answer is to swing to theother end of the spectrum and stay there. That place has its ownproblems, dangers, and inefficiencies.

    So - it's time forall of us (you too Milo<)to embrace a bit of "socialism" and step back a bit fromthe dog-eat-dog wing of capitalism. We will possibly over-correct(this system is a positive feedback loop, and they have thattendency). Then it will be time for all of us to embrace a littlemore market control. "To everything, Turn turn turn, There is aseason, Turn turn turn..."

    I hope this rant has beenuseful to someone, and not simply a bit of blather that only aneconomist could put up with.


    "When there is anaccumulation of money and power into fewer and fewer hands, peoplewith the mentality of gangsters come to the fore. Power tends tocorrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" -- Lord Acton<Keep in mind that he's British, and he said this in 1877. This isnot the first time the pattern has played out>
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