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    This may be what I'm looking for. Anybody know what its? I came across this picture in the Wooden Boat forum; John Welsford's thread about Long Steps. Anybody know of a similar boat plan?

    I don't know what size it is, but a 19' version would work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okiebobby View Post

    So the shortlist, which is a long list and may get longer, is (and these are in no particular order): Caledonia Yawl, Eel, Euna Mara, Ness Yawl Penny Fee, Wee Seal, Pathfinder, Pilgrim, (stretched) Walkabout, 6 metre Whaler, and Long Steps.

    I suspect I'm leaning toward something similar to a Humber Canoe Yawl, or something with a narrow stern.
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    Welsford's Whaler has moved to the top of my list. A close second is Long Steps. These are two different boats. I think my original criteria at the beginning of the thread, still holds for the most part. Looking to replace my Rob Roy 23 with something smaller; small enough to fit in a 20' x 12' garage space; small enough to fit through a 6.5' (Height) by 8' (Width) doorway. Each will do this. The big question is how important are qualities like accommodations, speed, appearance, size, weight...

    If my Rob Roy 23 was small enough to fit in this garage space, I would probably not be considering a different boat. That being said, with a cabin top or cuddy, I think the Whaler has a lot of potential for my primary use of weekend overnight glampling. Don't get me wrong, I suspect Long Steps would be a fun, fast ride. The Whaler though, would be much more comfortable once the daily destination is reached; and the Whaler seems to meet my performance requirement threshold of being able to keep up with a Pathfinder. Looks wise, In my opinion few boats are going to outshine the Whaler. My hat goes off to the white 'Opus' Eun Mara pictured a few posts above; which may be the most beautiful boat I've ever seen. The Eel is easy on the eyes and high on my list, but as an inexperienced builder, it would be difficult for me to build, and I question my ability to convert the build to lapstrake. If I'm going to the trouble of building a boat, I want it to have the lapstrake appearance.

    While I'm letting this thought brew for a few days. I welcome suggestions and opinions. Thanks for all the help so far. Oh, and did I mention? I'm hoping this to be my first and last completed boat build, and the one and only boat I will hang onto as I prepare for retirement in a few, quite a few, years.

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    How did I not realize how beautiful Vivier's Beniguet is until today? I wonder if a similar looking cabin top might fit on Welsford's 6m Whaler?

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    Kind of surprised Sjogin hasn't come up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stromborg View Post

    Kind of surprised Sjogin hasn't come up.
    That is great recommendation. I wasn't aware of this smaller version of the Sjogin until just now. Thanks!! Yes I love the Sjogin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okiebobby View Post
    That is great recommendation. I wasn't aware of this smaller version of the Sjogin until just now. Thanks!! Yes I love the Sjogin!
    Me too! I'd be honored to have her considered.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ Manheimer View Post
    Me too! I'd be honored to have her considered.

    Good luck!
    Russ, it looks like the honor is all mine. Today Facebook recommended I check out your Sjogin page, and I've been drooling over photos of your boat for half the day. Thanks for chiming-in.

    https://www.facebook.com/Sjogin/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okiebobby View Post
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    This may be what I'm looking for. Anybody know what its? I came across this picture in the Wooden Boat forum; John Welsford's thread about Long Steps. Anybody know of a similar boat plan?

    I don't know what size it is, but a 19' version would work for me.
    I think I posted that originally. It's a Caledonean yawl I found on Goggle with an owner added cuddy, I'm considering a similar cuddy for my 18 foot Selway Fisher JIM
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    It looks like I've decided on the 6 meter Whaler by John Welsford. The plans arrived this evening. I'm just starting to wrap my head around how large this little boat is. My Rob Roy 23 seems huge to me, and there is a ton of space I don't use. Consolidating down to 19 or 20 feet in length, without loosing any width, should be just about right. Plus I'll be able to completely customize the cabin and lockers, which should lend to more use of the available space.

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    I'm hoping the Whaler sails well, and by all accounts I've read on the internet - it should. I'm pretty sure, it would be hard to find a boat that sails as well as the Rob Roy 23 for its size, particularly motion comfort. The RR23 is a dream to sail. It is so easy to set and keep a heading, and power boat wakes don't seem to disturb it much. I'm not expecting the next boat to sail as well as the RR23, but that is part of the compromise. Some sailing qualities and durability are really what I'm giving up. I feel like every other trade-off is a gain for me, in favor of the 6MW. Not that the 6MW is a better boat than the RR23, but that it is a better boat for my type of sailing. Also a huge factor, is that I feel the desire to build a boat. And if I'm going to put the effort into building a boat, then I want the boat to be exactly what I want.

    The first step of my build was to chose the boat plan. That step seems to be accomplished. The next step will be to build it in Sketchup, before the real build starts.

    I appreciate everyone's comments and suggestions on choosing the boat plan. The type of suggestions I'd appreciate going forward, would have to do with customizations for the build. I'm sure many of you experienced builders have made some customizations, or are kicking yourself for something you wished you would have done. For example, I had to replace the drop boards in my Rob Roy; after many tries and tweaking, I finally got the replacements to fit, but what I learned is that vertical throughway openings would have been much easier to work with, and are more versatile for swapping boards or accessories; so on the 6MW, it's going to have vertical throughway openings. Any tips like that would be much appreciated, especially if you point out why the tip is so useful.

    Many thanks!!
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    The quest (more like saga) for my dream boat continues. Something visceral in my nature will not let me rest. It's like Captain Jack Sparrow's compass. So I'm back again, looking for great tips from group knowledge base.

    First an update: The Whaler was very close, just a little too big. Plus I realized that my work schedule would drag the project on for years - so I decided to postpone boat building until I get closer to retirement... I sold my Rob Roy 23 (Great boat that I loved, but just too big to fit in the garage (Having a garage kept boat is high on my list of priorities; plus I really prefer smaller boats.). I looked for a little while for a used classic wooden boat, and then decided to buy an inexpensive used GRP boat, with the intent of modifying the cabin to look more like a classic wooden boat, plus I would have the benefit of a tough GRP production made hull. I searched and bought a Siren 17, a very well built little boat. This particular Siren was in such good shape, I kept telling myself to sail her as is for at least a year before doing anything drastic. In the mean time, fate brought the dream boat (well at least the hull) to me.

    I should not be allowed on sailingtexas.com, because almost every time I go to that site - I seem to buy another boat. Anyway, I peeked a little - I don't even know why. In the process - I saw a Drascombe Scaffie for sale. It caught my eye immediately. I had never heard of them before. The hull size and shape just seemed perfect, and along with the shoal fixed keel and two stub bilge keels... - I could not resist. So I bought the Scaffie, and sold the Siren. Again, I told myself - sail her for a year before doing anything drastic, but the compass inside knows the boat needs to be turned into something similar to a canoe yawl. And that my friends is where I'm asking for suggestions.

    So I have the hull for my dreamboat - now she just needs to be finished. The boat knows it is a caterpillar and it is just anxiously waiting to become a butterfly that looks like a tiny canoe yawl with a smart cabin. Which works out great for me, because I'm too much of a whussy to be an open boat guy. I need a cabin to keep my stuff dry and organized, and to retreat to for a cozy dry bug free overnight on the water. Because for me, weekend overnighting on a cute cozy little boat is what I really enjoy.

    I'm looking forward to this project, and although the project may take over a year - I think the boat downtime will only be a few months. Where I'm asking for suggestions currently, is in aesthetics and functionality of the cabin. Please post pics (or links) of tiny boats with gorgeous little cabins. The previous posts have been spot on, and I appreciate the help immensely. I suspect it will be difficult to find anything better than has already been posted in this thread; if you agree, please indicate your favorite so far. I'm torn by at least three or four or more.

    Respectfully,
    Bobby

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    Build a 7 car garage and it will solve some of your problems, for the short term anyway.

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    William Gardens Eel is about right. Also, check out the boat I'm building, the CLC Autumn Leaves. John Harris put a lot of thought into the cabin.
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    Yes, I agree. Eel's cabin top and layout may be worth learning from, as well as Autumn Leaves. Looks like John Harris tapped into his inner Bolger. Both Harris and Bolger have created innovative practical designs.

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    I've come up with a cabin top arrangement for the Scaffie that matches my needs. The screen print doesn't show it well, but the cabin will have an open slot top (used on many Michalak boats) so I can walk forward... and still easily raise and lower the mast as when it was an open boat.

    Big challenge at the moment is revising the mast partner. I figure the time is right, since I recently cracked the current one; which may or may not be the original mast thwart (if it was, then it was repaired a bit). What I really want is an arrangement that allows me to adjust the mast rake. I'm currently considering having a slot in the mast partner, that allows the mast to be adjusted forward or aft depending on the conditions or rig arrangements. Looking for ideas on how to make this happen.

    I've seen simple arrangements that allow adjustment by repositioning the bottom of the mast fore and aft at the step. Having the adjustment at the step won't work well for this hull, since the fiberglass step is already molded, and I don't want to mess with cutting into that at that location. The Scaffie has a lug rig, but is a boomless standing lug rig; the usually method of moving a balanced lug boom fore and aft is not an option either. So it appears the adjustments need to be made within the mast partner setup.

    I'm think if the slot is expanded forward and aft, mast chocks could be used to shift the mast fore and aft, and I still might get by with using only one gate. Requesting suggestions from the brain trust.

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