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  • wizbang 13
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 24904

    #16
    Re: Get She Rigged

    Jay, The OB( original builder), fussed a LOT , about getting what he wanted. I am tickled that you like her.Cowhorns were,as I'm sure you know, lightweight boats for their time.
    This boat is not light . She has the scantlings of a 60 foot schooner.
    So,The freestanding thing ...not so much cuz she is crazy heavy.
    Hybrid fer shebr /> bruce

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    • John B
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2000
      • 31743

      #17
      Re: Get She Rigged

      Is it because she was originally a freestanding rig that you only go with 2 shrouds? What I really mean is how come no cap shroud even with the mast. I can see how that would work, just not what I'd expect..

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      • johnw
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2001
        • 28567

        #18
        Re: Get She Rigged

        Originally posted by jackster
        Wait!... What?
        A freight train doesn't have a steering wheel, does it

        (Colin Archer)
        Block Island cowhorns were not designed to change course quickly.

        On the trailing edge of technology.

        https://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-John-L.../dp/B07LC6Y934

        http://www.scribd.com/johnmwatkins/documents

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        • J.Madison
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 4000

          #19
          Re: Get She Rigged

          Are those square footages on the sails? ~500 seems a bit light for that big heavy boat, although I know winds are pretty strong down there.

          If you insist on no spreaders and only two chainplates per side per mast, you could also add two intermediate shrouds that go to the same chainplates as the uppers. Its not perfect, but would allow you to go with a bit more height in the masts.

          It looks like a gaff rig, but will have to be taller and that leaves me nervous. Or maybe it won't have to be taller if the reduced area is okay with your skipper.

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          • J.Madison
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 4000

            #20
            Re: Get She Rigged

            Maybe I'm thinking this boat is bigger than it actually is.

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            • wizbang 13
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 24904

              #21
              Re: Get She Rigged

              Originally posted by John B
              Is it because she was originally a freestanding rig that you only go with 2 shrouds? What I really mean is how come no cap shroud even with the mast. I can see how that would work, just not what I'd expect..
              John I am embarrassed to say I dunno what is "cap shroud".
              I want to try this because IF it will work,it would just rock.

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              • wizbang 13
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 24904

                #22
                Re: Get She Rigged

                [QUOTE=J.Madison;5417387]Maybe I'm thinking this boat is bigger than it actually is.[/QUOTE

                Shes 35' long and 12 foot o beam.5 ish feets deep.

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                • John B
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2000
                  • 31743

                  #23
                  Re: Get She Rigged

                  Originally posted by wizbang 13
                  John I am embarrassed to say I dunno what is "cap shroud".
                  I want to try this because IF it will work,it would just rock.
                  As soon as I typed it I thought I was wrong / unclear. Wrong because all the shrouds are going to the mast cap.

                  'normal' / standard bermudan rigs having a cap shroud to the mast head ( usually bang in line with the mast partners), and one or two lower shrouds spread out at the base to various extent. (Lower shrouds going to spreaders height normally)

                  So I have my own lack of experience with a heavy , near freestanding rig saying to me ' hey ,where's the in line shroud' ,and the Bruce can do it side of my behind the eyes storage device saying 'hmmm, interesting.'

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                  • Hwyl
                    Gareth
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 22231

                    #24
                    Re: Get She Rigged

                    Originally posted by wizbang 13
                    Both mast steps have 2 inch deep keys, or whatever ya call em.

                    The bottom of the mast male bit is called the "tenon", so I'd guess the female bit is called the "mortise".

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                    • Peerie Maa
                      Old Grey Inquisitive One
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 62519

                      #25
                      Re: Get She Rigged

                      Originally posted by wizbang 13
                      Main mast step.vessel has a complete keelson, a giant nog of purple heart on TOP of the massive floors. It functions as the actual step.

                      I will dig this deeper as well,all the way through,so the key out the bottom of the mast will be closer to 5 inches than 2 inches.
                      Is there any sign of crushing on the sides of the old tennons? If they survived without damage they were big enough. I have seen shallower mortices than those.
                      It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                      • Peerie Maa
                        Old Grey Inquisitive One
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 62519

                        #26
                        Re: Get She Rigged

                        Originally posted by wizbang 13
                        Just took on a project of putting some masts in this schooner. Working with what I have here , a pair of solid heavy masts from other boats.

                        Originally posted by johnw
                        Block Island cowhorns were not designed to change course quickly.

                        Not much like a cowhorn, apart from the straight sternpost.
                        It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                        • johnw
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 28567

                          #27
                          Re: Get She Rigged

                          Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                          Not much like a cowhorn, apart from the straight sternpost.
                          Yes, it looks more a redningsskøyta.
                          On the trailing edge of technology.

                          https://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-John-L.../dp/B07LC6Y934

                          http://www.scribd.com/johnmwatkins/documents

                          http://booksellersvsbestsellers.blogspot.com/

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                          • wizbang 13
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 24904

                            #28
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                            • wizbang 13
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 24904

                              #29
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                              • wizbang 13
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 24904

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