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    I remember reading an ad for a magic weight loss formula, a mixture of common herbs, that would speed up the metabolism and bring about weight loss. The idea was to mix the amazing and awesome tincture in a big glass of water and drink one glass before every meal.

    I doubt that the herbs made any difference at all, but getting half filled with water before each meal should cut down on the amount of food eaten alright, especially if one were too busy to snack between meals and could resist snacking on the couch after supper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    But I also believe for most purposes that a calorie is a calorie. Diabetes is an exception.
    Research is pretty clear this isn't how it works, TLT.

    Refined carbohydrates cause a spike in insulin. Repeat that over time, and you develop insulin resistance. Repeat THAT over time, and you're diabetic.

    Dietary fat, on the other hand, does NOT cause an insulin spike. Thus, no increase in insulin resistance. Repeat a high-fat (75% of daily calories, maybe) keto diet over time and you will dramatically increase your insulin sensitivity.

    I've had good luck on a ketogenic diet + 5 days/week aerobic exercise (swimming) + recently added 3 half-hour weight lifting sessions/week. I'm losing about 3 pounds per week right now.

    I've also had good results with the Zone diet, which (like keto diets) avoids refined carbs and increases insulin sensitivity.

    For me, avoiding sugary drinks, bread, pasta, rice, and most fruit is most of it. You just can't go wrong by eating lots of vegetables. Even if you WANTED to over-carb yourself, you'd never fit that much volume in while eating broccoli, cauliflower, onions, peppers, etc. etc.

    And thanks to the high fat content, it's tasty! Lunch today was sauteed zucchini, onions, and peppers cooked in coconut oil with garlic, salt, and pepper, and a side of cheese, herring, and sausage. Tasty tasty.

    Sadly, exercise alone does very little to lose weight and improve body composition. It mainly serves to supercharge an effective diet. You can't outrun a fork no matter how fast you go.

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    I did a 850 cal/day diet for 8 months, lost 30lbs, still have T2D. Whatever, according to all the health experts it's all my fault. If I only worked out two hours a day and spent hundreds of dollars and hours more in preparing my food every week. It's impossible to exercise as much as I should and work a demanding job and try to live a life. Our society has created this disease and the only way to curb it is to change the way we expect people to work. In other words, it'll never happen.
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    I did a 850 cal/day diet for 8 months, lost 30lbs, still have T2D. Whatever, according to all the health experts it's all my fault. If I only worked out two hours a day and spent hundreds of dollars and hours more in preparing my food every week. It's impossible to exercise as much as I should and work a demanding job and try to live a life. Our society has created this disease and the only way to curb it is to change the way we expect people to work. In other words, it'll never happen.
    The diabetes ‘specialists’ all consider T2D to be a chronic and progressive disease. However, both bariatrics and fasting proves them wrong. Consider this real life example from my practice. A lady in her mid 60’s was referred to me on 120 units of insulin daily along with 2 grams/day of metformin (a type of medication used for T2D). She had T2D for 27 years and had been progressively using higher and higher doses of insulin in an effort to control her blood sugars. However, things were getting worse. So that’s why she was referred to us in the Intensive Dietary Management Program.

    We started her on a regimen that included fasting under strict medical supervision. We started with a full week of fasting and immediately reduced her medications. When she was feeling well, she continued for a second week, then a third. By that time she was off her insulin. It’s been over a year now, and she continues to be off all insulin and medications with a HgbA1C of 5.9%. Technically, she is no longer diabetic (defined by an A1C of less than 6%).

    She feels terrific – with more energy now than she has had for over a decade. Her husband was so impressed that he also started our program and has recently come off all his insulin, too.

    But wait! The diabetes ‘experts’ insist that T2D was a chronic and progressive disease! How can this lady, with her 27 year history of T2D, suddenly reverse all her disease and become non-diabetic? How can this possibly happen?

    The answer is quite simple. Logically, there was simply no truth to the statement that T2D is chronic and progressive. It was only a lie. The ‘experts’ were being economical with the truth. Spinning a yarn. Pulling a ‘Bill Clinton’.

    But the fact that fasting cures diabetes has been know for close to 100 years! One of the most famous diabetologists in the history of the world – Dr. Elliot Joslin wrote about it in the Canadian Medical Association Journal in 1916! In fact, he thought that it was so obvious that fasting was helpful that studies would not even be necessary. This, from the guy that Harvard University used to name its world famous Joslin Center for Diabetes.

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    Is no one here into Atkins? I lost nearly 40#s on it but slowly over a couple of years gained it back by cheating with sugar and carbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Research is pretty clear this isn't how it works, TLT. ...
    I disagree with all of your comments.

    For a decade or two I drank 1000 cal of refined sugar in drinks each day. Along with a lot of pasta, bread, and other refined products. My health - the way I felt and what the numbers said, have not changed significantly during long periods of vegetarianism or any other diets that my wife thought were proper. Weight seems to affect my overall health much more than the food I eat.

    I am sure some life styles will lead to diabetes, but refined sugar is not the whole story. As I said "for the most part calories are calories."
    Life is complex.

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    Good Luck!

    At my heaviest I weighed 235lbs @5'-10", I was a fat a55. If it was all about food, how is it that I'm surrounded by multitudes of people who weight much more than I ever did and they don't have it? Listen, I don't dispute that this method can help some people, but this is a varied disease as far as I can tell. I will go on maintaing my diet and not eating any processed sugar, keep the carbs in check, and I will continue to keep my physical activity up, but this "fix" isn't real in my experience. The study, with it's 298 person sample size over 60 years is hardly conclusive.
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    Interesting thread, and providing me with insights. I’m a bit disappointed- quite a few mistrust Medicine, and prefer alternative and medicine by cult of personality. Dr Fung- nephrology, yet he knows diabetes better because ‘he cares’? Yep- that’s how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Interesting thread, and providing me with insights. I’m a bit disappointed- quite a few mistrust Medicine, and prefer alternative and medicine by cult of personality. Dr Fung- nephrology, yet he knows diabetes better because ‘he cares’? Yep- that’s how it works.
    I have read every hopeful story about a cure for T2D. So far, maintaining diet and exercise and taking meds prescribed by my doc is the only thing keeping my a1c down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    I disagree with all of your comments.

    For a decade or two I drank 1000 cal of refined sugar in drinks each day. Along with a lot of pasta, bread, and other refined products. My health - the way I felt and what the numbers said, have not changed significantly during long periods of vegetarianism or any other diets that my wife thought were proper. Weight seems to affect my overall health much more than the food I eat.

    I am sure some life styles will lead to diabetes, but refined sugar is not the whole story. As I said "for the most part calories are calories."
    I'm glad you've found what works for you, but anecdotal evidence based on a sample size of 1 isn't particularly convincing. It's pretty much beyond dispute in the scientific community that refined sugars and carbs cause a spike in insulin levels, which, if prolonged over time, dramatically reduce insulin sensitivity.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say with your comment about weight affecting you more than food (bolded).

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Interesting thread, and providing me with insights. I’m a bit disappointed- quite a few mistrust Medicine, and prefer alternative and medicine by cult of personality. Dr Fung- nephrology, yet he knows diabetes better because ‘he cares’? Yep- that’s how it works.
    Not exactly.

    I returned to Toronto in 2001 to start my career in Nephrology, where I still have both an office and hospital practice. Type 2 diabetes is by far and away the leading cause of kidney disease, and I treat many hundreds of patients with this disease. Many also have obesity. By the early 2010s my interest in nutrition, combined with my professional focus on obesity and T2D had led me directly to the diabesity puzzle.

    Obesity

    The studies in the literature proved that the Low Carb approach was a viable one. But this didn’t make any sense to me since I was still steeped in the Calories In, Calories Out (CICO) approach of conventional medicine. But yet, many studies confirmed the superiority of the Low Carb diet. Something was wrong.

    One possibility is that the studies were wrong. This is unlikely, given that many studies all showed the same result. Furthermore, it confirmed the clinical experience of thousands of patients, who were all reporting weight loss on the Atkins diet.

    So, logically, if the studies were correct, then the CICO approach had to be wrong. Much as I tried to deny it, there was no saving the CICO hypothesis. It was dead wrong. I could now see things from an entirely different vantage point. If the CICO hypothesis was wrong, then what was right? This led me a book that turned the lightbulb in my head to ‘on’. That was Gary Taubes’ 2007 best selling book Good Calories, Bad Calories. It was revolutionary. There’s no other way to describe it.

    ..........

    Good Calories, Bad Calories was a completely different beast. First, thank God, there was no cookbook attached to it. Instead, it was page after page of extensively researched material. But clearly, a lot of time was devoted to putting all this research together into a tightly cohesive thesis. Finally, here was a start to puzzling out the underlying cause of obesity. Here, at long last, was some serious attempt to understand the aetiology of obesity.

    Aetiology is a medical term that means ‘the underlying cause’. What is the underlying cause of obesity? We spend almost no time thinking about this problem. Why? Because we think we already know the answer. We think the answer is that Excessive Calories causes obesity. Therefore, if too many calories is the problem, then the answer is Caloric Reduction. But there’s an obvious problem. Caloric Reduction has been done to death. And it doesn’t work. No matter why it didn’t work, the bottom line is that we’ve all done it, and it doesn’t work.

    The underlying cause of obesity turns out to be a hormonal, not a caloric imbalance. The hormone at the center of the debate was insulin. If excessive insulin was causing obesity, then clearly the answer lay in reducing insulin.
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    quite a few mistrust Medicine

    The same 'Medicine' people who have gotten rich by lying to us for fifty years about what makes a healthy diet, while creating an obesity & diabetes epidemic and a multi-billion dollar industry treating the *symptoms* without curing the diseases? Yeah, they're a little hard to trust.

    I remember that among the mountain of forms (yes, I read them) I had to sign before my appendectomy, was one that said, in effect, "Medicine is not an exact science and we do not guarantee results." Boy, did it hurt laughing at that,- the doctor wanted to know what was funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    I'm glad you've found what works for you, but anecdotal evidence based on a sample size of 1 isn't particularly convincing. It's pretty much beyond dispute in the scientific community that refined sugars and carbs cause a spike in insulin levels, which, if prolonged over time, dramatically reduce insulin sensitivity.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say with your comment about weight affecting you more than food (bolded).

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    A quick look at the basics of a low carb diet, in this case Adkins -

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...t-101#section4

    I have T2D thanks to Agent Orange but these studies make sense and the food is sensible and tasty. However, if you fear death from butter, bacon, eggs, cheese, salmon, steak, almonds, etc., you'd best stick with Twinkies and Dr. Pepper.
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    Another keto fan here. I'm 57. 6'3" Lost a bunch of belly fat and man boobs over the last 5 months, and gained a lot of strength. Heavier weights, fewer reps. and some HIIT. I used to eat bread by the loaf. pasta, subs, boxes of cereal at night...and still be hungry. I think that's an evolutionary response...gorge on food during times of plenty. Problem is, ALL the time is plenty now! It took me several weeks to not crave carbs, and every once in a while, chocolate cake still looks incredible. But those cravings pass for the most part as your body learned to burn ketones. If you try keto, give it a good several weeks before you decide it's not for you. Lots of gut changes during that time...gross stuff and your gut bacteria change. Be patient.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    A quick look at the basics of a low carb diet, in this case Adkins -

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...t-101#section4

    I have T2D thanks to Agent Orange but these studies make sense and the food is sensible and tasty. However, if you fear death from butter, bacon, eggs, cheese, salmon, steak, almonds, etc., you'd best stick with Twinkies and Dr. Pepper.
    What you need to do is sauté some almonds in salted butter until they get soft, then let them cool, and harden back up. They get crispy and taste wonderful.
    The flavor can be changed by dusting with spices.
    Then eat a handful with some boiled eggs and whatever thing is growing. Just now that’s green leafy stuff and citrus fruits. Oh, and pecans. Mmm. Pecans...

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    The pecans would kill my youngest, which some days ...
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    Oh, and pecans. Mmm. Pecans...
    I got some pecans when I was in Las Cruces, NM for my high school reunion. The place is famous for them. Just up the highway is Hatch, famous for Hatch chile (duh). I got a bag of salted chile flavored pecans. OMG! You gotta make some!

    Or www.nmpecan.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Yup. Rump-roast, anyone?

    I appreciate the posts here, so far - they're all spot-on. Achieving a lifestyle change is damned tough; we're asking that you rid yourself of some 'comfortable' habits. Now, if we had a pill for that, it'd be do-able!

    Tom, your SIL is correct; it's like pulling teeth. If I can convince pts to do even 20 minutes of aerobic exercise/day, at least 5 days/week, along with correct diet - they all lose weight. All of 'em. Unfortunately..... it seldom happens. Getting folks to lift even mild weights has been a tough sell, as well.

    I talk about a three-legged stool - lifestyle change, nearly daily aerobic exercise - and if still unsuccessful, short-term use of an appetite suppressant.

    If any of you come up with a better 'sell', I'm listening.
    I'm doing it sir so it's doable. A person needs a lot of motivation, but if having one's knees crumble, one's back ache every day and not being able to buy clothes that fit (or comfortably put on a pair of boots) isn't enough motivation, I don't know what is. And I haven't even mentioned the benefits of being responsibly lean when it comes to being more attractive to any particular women that one would like to grope. I am no longer the fattest guy in the room and I'm working on becoming one of the better proportioned ones.

    I'm a fit person in a fat guy's body but I am determined to get to my ideal weight. Meet my new best friend, celery.

    Atkins works a charm for me but I can't sustain it. I'm more about how much and what kind of food I put in and getting to the gym three or four days a week. I don't see a real end to it but it's fine. I remembered that I like it.
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    Another point not mentioned that I've become aware of via my brain cancer. My oncologist told me several times that one of the reasons that I have done so well post op is that I'm fit, correct weight. All measurable signs good.
    Apparently it all adds up.
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    Baah. Celery's a ruse, a cheat, a floozy and a tease. A twiggy greeny stringy watery thing that'll only give you a satisfying crunch if you haven't had it out on the counter for half an hour. And it will eventually leave you hollow and wanting. Panting for an honest calorie that you didn't work off a priori while chewing it, before it ever hit the colon.

    Now cabbage. There's a vegetable. Fiber that'll keep you regular apparently for decades, while incrementally releasing those calories in a steady but low-volume trickle, so the blood sugar won't quite crash. Wonderful in a "cutting" diet. Half a head can disappear in a pot of anaemic vegetable soup and make the flavour in whole thing blossom like even Rorschach would never credit, and follow up by acting like a good exfoliating scrub as it slowly meanders through your various tubes. And it displaces actual caloric nutrients without making your head hurt, or making you feel like you would actually eat a bus tire if the damned thing would just stop spinning.

    I'd never fully appreciated cabbage 'till herself started to put it and a moderate turnip into a large pot of lentil soup. Now it makes me kinda moist-eyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    I got some pecans when I was in Las Cruces, NM for my high school reunion. The place is famous for them. Just up the highway is Hatch, famous for Hatch chile (duh). I got a bag of salted chile flavored pecans. OMG! You gotta make some!

    Or www.nmpecan.com
    Chili lime pecans are the BOMB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Baah. Celery's a ruse, a cheat, a floozy and a tease. A twiggy greeny stringy watery thing that'll only give you a satisfying crunch if you haven't had it out on the counter for half an hour. And it will eventually leave you hollow and wanting. Panting for an honest calorie that you didn't work off a priori while chewing it, before it ever hit the colon.

    Now cabbage. There's a vegetable. Fiber that'll keep you regular apparently for decades, while incrementally releasing those calories in a steady but low-volume trickle, so the blood sugar won't quite crash. Wonderful in a "cutting" diet. Half a head can disappear in a pot of anaemic vegetable soup and make the flavour in whole thing blossom like even Rorschach would never credit, and follow up by acting like a good exfoliating scrub as it slowly meanders through your various tubes. And it displaces actual caloric nutrients without making your head hurt, or making you feel like you would actually eat a bus tire if the damned thing would just stop spinning.

    I'd never fully appreciated cabbage 'till herself started to put it and a moderate turnip into a large pot of lentil soup. Now it makes me kinda moist-eyed.
    I eat cabbage. I do most of the cooking around here but Lindy is in charge of the cabbages. I eat a lot of vegetables these days. A lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    I'm glad you've found what works for you, but anecdotal evidence based on a sample size of 1 isn't particularly convincing. It's pretty much beyond dispute in the scientific community that refined sugars and carbs cause a spike in insulin levels, which, if prolonged over time, dramatically reduce insulin sensitivity.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say with your comment about weight affecting you more than food (bolded).
    There are enough studies that show the xxx diet works with respect to diabetes and enough that show the xxx diet does not work that those studies should be as unconvincing as my comments.

    I was trying to say that I have a weight at which I am more healthy - fewer aches and pains, fewer colds. That weight is independent of the diet I am on.
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    I've never heard anyone go misty-eyed for cabbage! I WANT to like cabbage, I've TRIED to like cabbage, but I just can't get there.

    Two exceptions:

    1. A green head thrown in a big bucket and fermented and then served with sausage. Wonderful.
    2. A red one chopped and soaked in vinegar until neon pink and then served on tacos. Even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Baah. Celery's a ruse, a cheat, a floozy and a tease. A twiggy greeny stringy watery thing that'll only give you a satisfying crunch if you haven't had it out on the counter for half an hour. And it will eventually leave you hollow and wanting. Panting for an honest calorie that you didn't work off a priori while chewing it, before it ever hit the colon.

    Now cabbage. There's a vegetable. Fiber that'll keep you regular apparently for decades, while incrementally releasing those calories in a steady but low-volume trickle, so the blood sugar won't quite crash. Wonderful in a "cutting" diet. Half a head can disappear in a pot of anaemic vegetable soup and make the flavour in whole thing blossom like even Rorschach would never credit, and follow up by acting like a good exfoliating scrub as it slowly meanders through your various tubes. And it displaces actual caloric nutrients without making your head hurt, or making you feel like you would actually eat a bus tire if the damned thing would just stop spinning.

    I'd never fully appreciated cabbage 'till herself started to put it and a moderate turnip into a large pot of lentil soup. Now it makes me kinda moist-eyed.
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    Not quitting my day job yet, George, but the research could be intriguing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Baah. Celery's a ruse, a cheat, a floozy and a tease. A twiggy greeny stringy watery thing that'll only give you a satisfying crunch if you haven't had it out on the counter for half an hour. And it will eventually leave you hollow and wanting. Panting for an honest calorie that you didn't work off a priori while chewing it, before it ever hit the colon.

    Now cabbage. There's a vegetable. Fiber that'll keep you regular apparently for decades, while incrementally releasing those calories in a steady but low-volume trickle, so the blood sugar won't quite crash. Wonderful in a "cutting" diet. Half a head can disappear in a pot of anaemic vegetable soup and make the flavour in whole thing blossom like even Rorschach would never credit, and follow up by acting like a good exfoliating scrub as it slowly meanders through your various tubes. And it displaces actual caloric nutrients without making your head hurt, or making you feel like you would actually eat a bus tire if the damned thing would just stop spinning.

    I'd never fully appreciated cabbage 'till herself started to put it and a moderate turnip into a large pot of lentil soup. Now it makes me kinda moist-eyed.
    For me, cabbage is a miracle food. It has negative calories, because I spend so much time running away from any chance of eating it.

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    I really like it as sour kraut !
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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    What you need to do is sauté some almonds in salted butter until they get soft, then let them cool, and harden back up. They get crispy and taste wonderful.
    The flavor can be changed by dusting with spices.
    Oh, man--that does sound good. I just happen to have a bag of almonds waiting for me at home...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Oh, man--that does sound good. I just happen to have a bag of almonds waiting for me at home...
    And it IS good. Surprisingly like popcorn.

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    This isn't the normal fad-diet B.S., a friend clued me into this, he tested pre-diabetic and lost 30 lbs in two months on diet of all veggies and a few supplements, 1000 calories a day, minor exercise (walking). I don't know if he has been retested. I used to maintain weight with exercise but he's right, you can't burn it off as fast as you feed it in. I need to lose 30 lbs. Hard for me, I love to cook and eat. But I don't want to get type II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I really like it as sour kraut !
    You must love a Kimchi diet with loaded probiotics. Yum!
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    I loved the kimchi in Korea but haven't found anything to even approximate it here. Anyone have a recipe?

    And Tom, that thing about cabbage... HOT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    I loved the kimchi in Korea but haven't found anything to even approximate it here. Anyone have a recipe? And Tom, that thing about cabbage... HOT!
    The stuff in jars can be watery. See if there is a Korean market near you that makes it fresh. We have that here and it's quite good, the sauce is of ketchup consistency, not watery. And a wide variety of veggies; cabbage, large radish, others.I tried making some on my own, looked online for recipe, I didn't have the correct spice powder so subsituted red Thai curry paste; Was better than nothing, but not as good as stuff made properly.
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