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    Default WAY TO GO gOP, makes a lot of sense!

    REPEAL Obamacare to give a select few and corporations tax breaks. Too bad, 13 million people won't have healthcare but, it's all good for the 1% and the corporations.

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    Maybe you don't realize that the repeal is of the individual mandate. Those who are affected by this repeal still have the option of purchasing an ACA policy at the same cost as before. They are just not forced to.

    If 13 million people make a choice to be uninsured, that is their decision to make and live with.
    Life is complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    Maybe you don't realize that the repeal is of the individual mandate. Those who are affected by this repeal still have the option of purchasing an ACA policy at the same cost as before. They are just not forced to.

    If 13 million people make a choice to be uninsured, that is their decision to make and live with.
    At higher prices, less coverage and huge deductibles I'm sure!And to heck with having pre-existing health issues!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    Maybe you don't realize that the repeal is of the individual mandate. Those who are affected by this repeal still have the option of purchasing an ACA policy at the same cost as before. They are just not forced to.

    If 13 million people make a choice to be uninsured, that is their decision to make and live with.
    Making a choice between feeding your children today, paying the rent and getting to work, against the risk of needing health insurance tomorrow is not really a "decision". It amounts to legalized extortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Making a choice between feeding your children today, paying the rent and getting to work, against the risk of needing health insurance tomorrow is not really a "decision". It amounts to legalized extortion.
    Yup!

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    No, screw that.

    It's a numbers game. If too many people opt out, the whole edifice cracks.

    You have to have everybody in the pool.

    Freaking Republican shenanigans. See my signature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    At higher prices, less coverage and huge deductibles I'm sure!And to heck with having pre-existing health issues!
    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Making a choice between feeding your children today, paying the rent and getting to work, against the risk of needing health insurance tomorrow is not really a "decision". It amounts to legalized extortion.
    Obama did not want an individual mandate. Neither did Romney when he was governor. But both chose to have the poor, young, and healthy pay for the rich, old, and sick. But mostly Democrats did not want to give those in the bottom 50% - those who we should be concerned about, free health care.

    If you want a health care plan that works, you need a lot of popular support. You don't have it. There is a lot of anger toward the ACA. I think it is properly directed.

    I was not surprised a couple days ago when I read that the median health care expense that causes families economic problems is only $1200. For many it is a choice between food and health care. The guys here who think $100K is what is going to cause problems, are out of touch. They use the improbable to argue against the reality.


    But don't worry in a few years the Democrats will be back in control of the government, they will pass a health care plan, and people will eventually accept it.
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    As I see it, healthcare works the same as Auto insurance. We have to pay auto insurance regardless and if we let it lapse, we get fined. Now you'll say, just don't own a car! Oh right, the nearest grocery store is 20 miles away, you probably expect me to walk. Young people die or get sick. Maybe not as many but, they do. Sure, they don't have to get health insurance until they need it. For Republicans who think people don't get sick and need hospitalization after they leave mommy and daddy, these idiot republicans should think again.

    PS, with no accidents, tickets, not even parking tickets, my auto insurance goes up at least $50.00 every year. When I ask, apparently younger drivers are getting into more accidents and more tickets and I'm paying for them. Just like Healthcare is being paid by those who are relatively healthy for the moment.

    By the way, my health insurance is going up substantially. And I've looked at other providers. Those that are charging a similar program has the same premiums, same deductibles and covers what I'm covered for

    Less expensive as I said, much higher deductibles and less coverage.

    If Republicans were smart, they'd hog tie the pharmas but, heaven to bid, they are busy sucking on the lobby' tits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    No, screw that.

    It's a numbers game. If too many people opt out, the whole edifice cracks.

    You have to have everybody in the pool.
    Of COURSE!

    Health care feature a very wide 'dynamic range' of effects; most young people go a couple of decades without consuming hardly any resources whatsoever. As I recall, aside from an annual physical, I didn't require ANY additional care from my teens, until my late 40's... which, I believe, is pretty typical.

    After that age, the demands of health care accelerate. I don't think I know a single 65 yr old who doesn't take statins, and perhaps a beta blocker or calcium channel blocker, for cholesterol and blood pressure control.. and most of my friends my age have had any number of other health concerns that have required appointments with specialists.... I myself have seen four different ones in the past 6 months. The annual costs, at or near my age, are probably ten times what they were, in my 40's... and certainly, vastly higher than I was in my 20's and 30's.

    What will it be like when I'm 70? 80? (if I make it that far?) It is highly unlikely that my medical care needs are going to decrease... and very likely that they will only increase.

    The one and ONLY way to make health care work, is to treat it as a life cycle phenomenon... and the only way to cope, economically, is to have EVERYONE in the actuarial pool... with young folks paying more than their resource requirements, and older people paying less.

    EVERY other developed nation in the world understands this...

    ...only the US doesn't.
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    Default Re: WAY TO GO gOP, makes a lot of sense!

    True Norman but, I'm seeing younger and younger people with health problem; Diabetes being a major one, cancer is up there as well, aids is there too.Now opioids!

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    Default Re: WAY TO GO gOP, makes a lot of sense!

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein
    The one and ONLY way to make health care work, is to treat it as a life cycle phenomenon... and the only way to cope, economically, is to have EVERYONE in the actuarial pool... with young folks paying more than their resource requirements, and older people paying less.

    EVERY other developed nation in the world understands this...

    ...only the US doesn't.
    This is an ideological battle between those who believe a single payer health care system would best promote the general welfare and those who oppose any government involvement in social services whatsoever. The ACA was a wrong-headed attempt to effect compromise with the those who despise compromise.

    The right-wingnut ideologues would also dismantle Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid completely if they had their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    The one and ONLY way to make health care work, is to treat it as a life cycle phenomenon... and the only way to cope, economically, is to have EVERYONE in the actuarial pool... with young folks paying more than their resource requirements, and older people paying less.
    I am over 65 and so is my wife. Neither of us take any medication on a regular basis. We seldom have a need to see a doctor. But overall old people do need more healthcare than young people.

    But your comment about the "only way" is misguided.

    We could have rich people pay. In general, the poor need a more comprehensive plan than the rich and that costs more in premiums. Of course, the poor cannot afford to pay more than the rich.

    We could set a minimum income/wealth below which we would provide free health care. Individuals would use their income and wealth above the minimum to pay for their health needs - care or insurance. The government would pay for those who fall below that minimum.

    Iis is unreasonable for the poor to pay premiums/out of pocket amounts and forgo food or any opportunities that the rich think they are entitled to but the poor are not.
    Life is complex.

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    Default Re: WAY TO GO gOP, makes a lot of sense!

    We already do that, it's called Medicare! It's not just for those over 65, it's for anyone who can't afford healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    Maybe you don't realize that the repeal is of the individual mandate. Those who are affected by this repeal still have the option of purchasing an ACA policy at the same cost as before. They are just not forced to.

    If 13 million people make a choice to be uninsured, that is their decision to make and live with.
    The 13 million people who cannot afford insurance are not making a decision. And they aren't going to live with it.

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    I hear that many of the boomers and not just them may he Hep C and don't even know they do. Only way to find out is go to a doctor. Hep C can kill ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shang View Post
    The 13 million people who cannot afford insurance are not making a decision. And they aren't going to live with it.
    I believe the 13 million estimate are people who are now required by law to purchase a policy. They cannot afford to purchase insurance now. And they are forced to. You don't seem bothered by the fact that they cannot afford insurance now. As someone said it is insurance or food. The government says, "Insurance." There is really no change in their ability to afford insurance. Only their right to make the decision.

    I say they should be given free health care. You think they should pay premiums. You might reconsider your thinking.
    Life is complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    No, screw that.

    It's a numbers game. If too many people opt out, the whole edifice cracks.

    You have to have everybody in the pool.

    Freaking Republican shenanigans. See my signature.
    Precisely, pull it all down.

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    We don't Know and the Republicans are guessing. Same guess they throw out about coronation tax cut means more people employed and more money in their pickets.

    Just watched a Trumpy ask a room full of CEO's, Willyou put the money from the tax break into hiring more people and paying them more? Asked for hands, three in the room did and the room was full. Goes towards Dividend and higher stock values.

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    Default Re: WAY TO GO gOP, makes a lot of sense!

    Obamacare, or ACA, it is misnamed. I have never heard Obama say anything that indicated he knew more about healthcare than being able to put on a bandaid. As for Affordable Care, it is really Affordable insurance. As to the quality of that insurance, to paraphrase N. Pelosi, you have to use it to find out.
    government supported healthcare goes back to the Prussians who wanted a healthy populace and workforce.
    If everyone was covered, like Medicare, and it was paid for out of taxes everyone would have a stake in the health of his neighbors. Maybe the opioid crisis would take care of itself if risky behavior was frowned upon

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    government supported healthcare goes back to the Prussians who wanted a healthy populace and workforce.
    If everyone was covered, like Medicare, and it was paid for out of taxes everyone would have a stake in the health of his neighbors.
    I think that's an excellent point.
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    Default Re: WAY TO GO gOP, makes a lot of sense!

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    The one and ONLY way to make health care work, is to treat it as a life cycle phenomenon... and the only way to cope, economically, is to have EVERYONE in the actuarial pool... with young folks paying more than their resource requirements, and older people paying less.

    EVERY other developed nation in the world understands this...
    I agree completely - not very Libertarian though. Sounds like red talk to me - which i like. Comrade.
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