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    Sorry, none of my registries list her. How big was she?
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    A Google search for Wiletie schooner brings up a lot of old newspaper references and a few photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Sorry, none of my registries list her. How big was she?
    Jay
    Hi Jay, i just purchase the schooner. the name of the schooner now is SCORPIO. i am planning to haul it out again to re-store all the finishes and will post my progress here. the pictures here are 5 years old.
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    Very nice looking schooner boat sir!
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    yea, it has been sitting at the dock for 4 years, the owner had pass on... this is what it looks like now. my insurance co. did not want to insure the boat because of the pictures the surveyor took! but im getting port risk only and they want all the things fixed in the report!
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    There is a contractor in Manhattan Beach named Watson who does business as Wiletie Company. I am guessing he is related to "Barnacle Bill" Watson who raced Wiletie in the 20s and 30s. Might be a source of some history.

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    I tried calling that Ph # but all i got was a weird little girl MSG

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    Sweet little boat there, Wow. Well deserving of a good restoration.

    It sounds like you've gotten a survey and know what to expect. How serious a re-fit does she need?

    Please keep us updated on your progress.

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    I'll take any excuse to post a pic of my fave.
    Schooner captains love to get blown offshore!

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    Yes i did get a survey and not one piece of wood needs to be replaced, it had a 20 year refit from 1986 to 2006 so 90% of the wood was replaced! just sat for the last 4 to 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchoonerRat View Post
    Sweet little boat there, Wow. Well deserving of a good restoration.

    It sounds like you've gotten a survey and know what to expect. How serious a re-fit does she need?

    Please keep us updated on your progress.

    IMG_0008.jpg

    I'll take any excuse to post a pic of my fave.
    Pages from report_18_104_42_schooner_scorpio_Page_1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wowswitch View Post
    Yes i did get a survey and not one piece of wood needs to be replaced, it had a 20 year refit from 1986 to 2006 so 90% of the wood was replaced! just sat for the last 4 to 5 years.
    No doubt she'll be a beauty - but the triple pics of the outside look as though she's iron fastened - or has some iron fasteners? If either, they are definitely damaging the wood.
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

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    At the survey the son had all the refit pictures that i will pick up this weekend and from what i saw was the dad had sister-ed all the frames and fasten with bronze and left the iron in the old frames. i will have a better look when we get her out again and take the paint off then i can see what i need to fix.
    thanks Ken

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    Those bleeders can be fixed by popping the plugs and scraping off the rust as much as possible. Also, a mini sand blaster
    can help. At Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords= If you have access to air. It is a great tool and cheap as well.
    Apply one of the Hi Zinc content cold galvanizing compounds and fill the hole with a new plug set in epoxy or use an epoxy based filler putty.
    Works very well. Rusty bleeders can be a thing of the past for you! Dry ice blasting can remove paint without damaging the wood!
    Jay

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    Thanks Jay, going to need all the help i can get!

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    Here is a YouTube video back in 2013 of the schooner going in the water.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRtyAeD3Jg4

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    Wow, you found a real sweetheart there! A bunch of deferred maintenance, some repairs and upgrades...nothing too involved or too expensive. A good deal of work and money for sure, but nothing to break you. When she's finished (as if any re-fit is ever finished) I hope you see fit to take her home...at least for a visit. We don't see too many old schooners around here anymore.
    Schooner captains love to get blown offshore!

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    Yes thanks, i just scheduled the haul out on the 26th.... let the work begin!
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    Who designed her?
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    Hi Jay, it was Edson B. Schock and the builder was Tom Dittmar design # 328

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    Today i got a picture of the schooner "Wiletie" winning the 1933 Island race, i have another old picture coming also.

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    This is exciting. I think Jay worked at the Dittmar yard some decades after Wiletie was built.

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    Ok, i have the other photo from 1930 of Wiletie sailing down in LA Ca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookmark View Post
    This is exciting. I think Jay worked at the Dittmar yard some decades after Wiletie was built.
    Yes I did work for Dittmar Donaldson. We built Frank Muller's "Mojo".
    Jay

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    Quote Originally Posted by wowswitch View Post
    Ok, i have the other photo from 1930 of Wiletie sailing down in LA Ca.

    wiletie 1930.jpgwiletie 1930 back.jpg
    That picture shows Shock's design very well. Almost the same turn of the bilge that leads into the tuck as in "Lucky Star"!
    Very nice boat!
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    Hi Jay, on Friday i went to the storage locker the sons had from his dad and i got a ton of stuff ! here is a start...

    Letter from CB Schock 1995_Page_1.jpgLetter from CB Schock 1995_Page_2.jpgLetter from CB Schock 2001.jpgEB Schock on lucker star.jpgEB Schock on lucker star back.jpg

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    Wow! Thanks for posting the above. This is the first time I have ever seen a photo of EB Shock. I did work for Bill for a while.
    Jay

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    your welcome, here are the blue prints plans of "Wiletie"

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    Very Pretty! Is taht actually a sheer line to the coachroof or just the way the print is laying? And re the diagonal stringers actually IN the caochroof?

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    Yes, the coach roof is the same as the sheer.
    Last edited by wowswitch; 02-12-2018 at 12:33 PM.

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    Also this drawing from 2004 was modifying the rig and sail plan as it is today from J.B.S.

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    While I prefer the look of the original rig, the new one is more practical for short handed sailing.
    Jay

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    I think it's time for a repair thread for this boat. She looks awesome. Have fun with her. We'll all enjoy watching your progress if you've got time to show us.
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    Here is a shot taken off of the Balboa Island Bridge back in 1950. Note how few boats were on moorings down the center of the channel!
    Today it is nearly impossible to sail a displacement hull boat over 25 feet out of the channel against an ebbing tide against the prevailing westerly wind as there are nearly three times the amount of boats in the channel and the moorings are staggered to make a full tack really hard to accomplish. Also note all of the shade trees that are on the street ends. They have been removed and concrete paving has replaced their trunk wells. The sailboat with the elliptical transom is my Dad's Common Sense sloop, "Red Witch". She has now been completely rebuilt. The Albatross in the foreground is "Pintado" that once belonged to "Dirty" Dave Williams. He and I raced the daylights out of her and then he rebuilt her. When Dave went to Fiddlers Green the family donated her to the Newport Beach Nautical Museum. They let her go to pot and rotso I don't know if she still exists. The small Chris Craft under the white stern cover belonged to Louis Breer who fished for marlin every day of the season! We always had marlin steaks on the BBQ as a result of his expertise in catching more sword fish than any one else in the Newport area. Note all the umbrellas and people on the beaches. Not many people do that any more!
    The classic cruiser, with the tan stern cover, was built by Willard Thurston who owned the Los Angeles Saw Works. Will was one of the founders of the Catalina Island YC. He also had a classic old house in Avalon Bay. Willard taught me how to run a metal lathe. i am forever grateful to him for that!
    Jay
    Last edited by Jay Greer; 02-19-2018 at 02:46 PM.

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    That picture was taken 9 years before my first trip across that bridge. Didn't Robin Lawrence's parents have a house on Balboa Island? Did your family know them before you met and married Anne?

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