Modern Muscle Car

[amish rob]

i'm even less likely than kat to be caught anywhere near a walmart

Could there be a more appropriate place to perform said song lyric?

Peace,
Robert

[Paul Pless]

fairy enuf

[John B]

Looks like a fun drive.

[Paul Pless]

Pushrods?

forever

[leikec]

There's about to be a Corvair resurrection in the Great White North...

Jeff C

[Garret]

2017 Dodge Challengers with Hemi V-8, leather seats here are being pushed at a bargains below 30k.

HUGE (as in bigly) diff between a Challenger & a Charger.

Fun car Kat!

[Ross M]

Quicker to 60 than a '65 427 Cobra

Well done!

[LeeG]

Must be fun in snow!

[Bob (oh, THAT Bob)]

2017 Dodge Charger Powertrain
Engine	V8, HEMI, 6.4 Liter
Horsepower	485 @ 6100 RPM
Torque	475 @ 4100 RPM
Fuel Economy	City 15/Hwy 25/Comb 18 MPG
Bore x Stroke	4.09 x 3.72
Compression Ratio	10.9
Fuel Type	Gas
Fuel Induction	Sequential Fuel Injection
Valve Train	Overhead Valve
Valves Per Cylinder	2
Total Number Valves	16
Transmission	Automatic, 8-Spd w/AutoStick
Drivetrain	RWD

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"Cleverly disguised as a race car." - Dan Gurney upon seeing his ride for the initial Cannonball race, a Ferrari Daytona coupe, blue with white racing stripe.

[Lew Barrett]

Daytona trim.

[John Meachen]

Is Paul a good passenger?

[The Bigfella]

Imagine how good that'd be if you could pull some lard out of it? 4,400 lbs - and I'm assuming base kerb weight means that's dry? My old Jensen Interceptor gave me the heebies at times... and it was "only" 4,030 lbs.

I do like the homage vehicles.... but it's time to stop paying homage to the engine design first patented in 1896, isn't it?

I know side-valves persisted a long time after OHV came onto the scene.... but isn't it time to recognise the advantages of OHC engines? They started taking over only 6 years after the first pushrods were getting bent.

That lazy stump-pulling power is nice, but really.... smaller capacity, higher revving, less weight. It's the future

[mmd]

C'mon, now, Bigfella. All that 'lazy stump-pulling power' is a good thing when you put four beer-bellied, burger-fed Bubbas in thet there car. It takes a lot of torque to overcome the Bubba-nertia. <wink, grin>

[The Bigfella]

C'mon, now, Bigfella. All that 'lazy stump-pulling power' is a good thing when you put four beer-bellied, burger-fed Bubbas in thet there car. It takes a lot of torque to overcome the Bubba-nertia. <wink, grin>

You sayin' Paul's a Bubba?

[mmd]

Nope. I'm jus' 'splainin' a reason for the North American love affair with pushrod grunt.

[The Bigfella]

Nope. I'm jus' 'splainin' a reason for the North American love affair with pushrod grunt.

I've been developing an affection for diesel grunt

[mmd]

Well, yeah, there's that. But the Bubbas 'round here are spoiling the brand by thinking that the bestest diesel is the blackest, smokiest diesel.

[Breakaway]

Well, I&rsquo;m sure you deserve it! Enjoy the heck out of it.

Kevin


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[Old Dryfoot]

Serendipity. . .
missed it by this much!

[Paul Pless]

but really.... smaller capacity, higher revving, less weight. It's the future

the future is electric

[Bob (oh, THAT Bob)]

Imagine how good that'd be if you could pull some lard out of it? 4,400 lbs - and I'm assuming base kerb weight means that's dry? My old Jensen Interceptor gave me the heebies at times... and it was "only" 4,030 lbs.

I do like the homage vehicles.... but it's time to stop paying homage to the engine design first patented in 1896, isn't it?

I know side-valves persisted a long time after OHV came onto the scene.... but isn't it time to recognise the advantages of OHC engines? They started taking over only 6 years after the first pushrods were getting bent.

That lazy stump-pulling power is nice, but really.... smaller capacity, higher revving, less weight. It's the future

Overhead cams are nice. BUT.... the cam chains are LONG are often require service to keep from eating the engine. (And timing belts require even more frequent service.) The cam chain on a pushrod is VERY short, and thus is usually good for the life of the engine. Pushrod heads are also compact, and light, which gives a lower engine CG, which matters. Add some titanium pushrods and rocker arms, and the valve train is light enough for 8000 rpm. Add a supercharger and it breathes as well as 4 valve heads. Don't get me wrong, but GM and Chrysler were capable of building OHC V8s many years ago, just like they have for their V6s. But there were good reasons for them keeping pushrods on the V8s. GM has made advances in cam chain design durability and noise on their "high feature" V6, which I think will be very helpful for any upcoming 4 cam V8.

[oldsub86]

[QUOTE=The Bigfella;5385964].... but isn't it time to recognise the advantages of OHC engines? They started taking over only 6 years after the first pushrods were getting bent.

That lazy stump-pulling power is nice, but really.... smaller capacity, higher revving, less weight. It's the future


How about a nice Mustang with the Voodoo engine?

[Paul Pless]

Katherine, myself,and our pet Rottweiler bitch ****head, just did 2000 miles in the Charger in three days on all types of roads in both wet and dry weather and the car was just flawless. Exceeded all expectations. Comfortable, fast, surefooted.

[BrianW]

Nice safe hi-vis color too!

[Reynard38]

I've been developing an affection for diesel grunt

I'm with ya!
Clean 4 cylinder 2 liter turbo diesel. Just drove one 320 miles in just over 4 hours today. 40mpg for the trip. Saw 115mph a couple times.
Love the grunt of compression ignition.

[Paul Pless]

Nice safe hi-vis color too!

the color is great on this car, i should mention the sound too
great v8 rumble at idle turning into quite a bark whenever the throttle is dipped in to

[Garret]

That's a pretty good road test! Glad you're liking the car.

[C. Ross]

Good for you, Kat. A friend has a two or three year old Charger and he loves it. Sounds like it's a good fit for your family.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

Katherine, myself,and our pet Rottweiler bitch ****head, just did 2000 miles in the Charger in three days on all types of roads in both wet and dry weather and the car was just flawless. Exceeded all expectations. Comfortable, fast, surefooted.

That's a bit terse, go on burn some more words, Tel us about the roads, the food, the interesting people, and any boats you encountered.

Pictures are good too.

[Old Dryfoot]

the color is great on this car, i should mention the sound too
great v8 rumble at idle turning into quite a bark whenever the throttle is dipped in to

They sound fantastic! My neighbor has a Challenger and it purrs just like a V8 should.

[Norman Bernstein]

Hmmmm... an automatic? Can you even BUY this car, with a stick?

[Paul Pless]

It's not your daddy's slushbox.

[Figment]

Does it have a special "press here to pop the clutch and smoke the tires" button?

[Norman Bernstein]

It's not your daddy's slushbox.

Perhaps not... and there's no question that these days, well designed automatics are very good....

...but then again, there's an art, science, and tradition to driving a manual shift car. I've never personally owned an automatic, myself... and take a certain amount of pride in being able to 'stick shift' it pretty well.

Maybe the automatic in a 2017 muscle car is just fine... but would you want a classic sports car with one?

[Figment]

Would you want a classic with one.... Norm, it appears that LOTS of people do.

Just as a fun little exploration/expirement, search your local craigslist for cars and limit the model years to a range of something like 1955-1975 with a minimum cost of $10k to weed-out the basketcases. Give it a quick browse, and then go back and add manual transmission to the search filter. My prediction is that the returns are reduced by two thirds. A LOT of those old cars have been converted to auto trans.