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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    It will never replace my Morgan in my affections (also pictured), but it's a fine guitar.
    That Morgan looks nice!

    I confess I have a 35+ year old Yamaha classical. It does have a solid spruce top when most of them back then did not, and the back and sides are beautiful African Rosewood harvested when you could get such things, but it's as dead as a hollow wood door. It sounds better every year as my hearing degrades! Those high frequencies are going fast...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    My most recent acoustic is a short-scale carbon fibre model with an offset soundhole. Phenomenal sound and of course no issues in the local climate, which is a challenge for wood guitars. It will never replace my Morgan in my affections (also pictured), but it's a fine guitar.
    Mine too, a Rainsong APSE with flat 'tobacco' burst finish. I'm really enjoying that thing. I have 'a few' woodies and I never would have thought I'd like a painted plastic guitar as much as I do now. Re. acoustic short-scale carbon fiber; I still have, and enjoyed playing, a CA (pre-Peavey) Cargo for a few years before acquiring the Rainsong. Took a while to get used to the really short scale on it, but once I found the strings I liked on it (med. nickles) I really like that little thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    That Morgan looks nice!
    I had played quite a few higher-end acoustics, including Martins and Larrivées, before I picked up a friend's Morgan and was instantly smitten. To this day, no guitar has just "fit" like a Morgan, and the craftsmanship and sound are as fine as any guitar I've ever played.

    Quote Originally Posted by J P View Post
    Mine too, a Rainsong APSE with flat 'tobacco' burst finish. I'm really enjoying that thing. I have 'a few' woodies and I never would have thought I'd like a painted plastic guitar as much as I do now. Re. acoustic short-scale carbon fiber; I still have, and enjoyed playing, a CA (pre-Peavey) Cargo for a few years before acquiring the Rainsong. Took a while to get used to the really short scale on it, but once I found the strings I liked on it (med. nickles) I really like that little thing.
    Interesting - I looked at the CAs and the Blackbird before settling on a Rainsong. I use medium-light nickels on my Rainsong, or Monel Retros, as (presumably like you) I've found that nickel compounds go really nicely with carbon fibre. I've been playing Ernie Ball's new aluminum bronze acoustic strings on the Morgan and they have won me over from phosphor bronze.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Looks nice, Chad.

    I recommend you go to the store and play it before you buy it. In fact, play several different guitars, maybe over the course of a few weeks. Narrow it down to the model, and then play several of those ( there can be differences in playability of same model; choose an individual instrument. )Don't be shy about your playing ability in the store--they listen to new players all the time. In the end, pick the one that speaks to you.

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    Seconded. It's not just looks and sound, it is also the playability, neck size, neck profile, fingerboard radius, fingerboard width, Bundgröße (here my english leaves me, I am referring to the brass "rails" on the fingerboard), body shape, weight and weight distribution, tremolo or not, sustain, ... which makes a certain model "your" model. And you must also like the instrument. And there are even differences from one to the other within one model.

    Semi hollows (and accoustics with pick up) can be unsuitable for high volume amplification, especially when working with monitors on a stage as they can come in resonance. So, if you want to go heavy and metallic, you might want to look for something solid.

    Also pick up some guitars from the next price level - you might be tempted to wait and save some more - or not.

    Good luck! I am down to one guitar (from two) and it is an Ibanez. They are good value for money.

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    I do have the solid body Kramer for hard core electric work. I did play around just for a second with the Ibanez on the wall and liked the feel but I do need more time with it. I'm thinking the Ibanez would be great for the more bluesy stuff and a bit of slide work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henning 4148 View Post
    Seconded. It's not just looks and sound, it is also the playability, neck size, neck profile, fingerboard radius, fingerboard width, Bundgröße (here my english leaves me, I am referring to the brass "rails" on the fingerboard), body shape, weight and weight distribution, tremolo or not, sustain, ... which makes a certain model "your" model. And you must also like the instrument. And there are even differences from one to the other within one model.

    Semi hollows (and accoustics with pick up) can be unsuitable for high volume amplification, especially when working with monitors on a stage as they can come in resonance. So, if you want to go heavy and metallic, you might want to look for something solid.

    Also pick up some guitars from the next price level - you might be tempted to wait and save some more - or not.

    Good luck! I am down to one guitar (from two) and it is an Ibanez. They are good value for money.
    Das wort ist “frets”. I cannot even imagine what the German word for tremolo is.

    I will third the recommendation to play before buying. Almost anything can be tuned or futzed with, but sometimes they just feel “right” or “ wrong”.
    For example, I love my crazy devil guitar and hate my Les Paul. One just “feels” better to me.

    And any acoustic or semi acoustic guitar will vary so widely from instrument to instrument because the wood and it’s treatment mean as much as any other thing, regarding the sound quality and tone and etc.

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    P.S. Plus, it’s a good excuse to play lots of different guitars. My advice is to play the same piece on the same amp with several guitars. And I always suggest getting something “nicer” or “better” than you imagine your skills. Not only will quality equipment repay you with pleasant playing and playability, it may also give you incentive to not leave it lie unused in the corner. Have fun making music. It’s very human.

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    Frets, yes, read that before. And the better word for fingerboard then is fretboard. German for tremolo would be Tremolo with a big T :-), also going by "Panikhebel" (Panik lever) or "Jammerhaken" (Whinge hook).

    As for playing - if you want to go to pawn shops etc., also try other models than the Ibanez Art-whatever. My remaining Ibanez (played far to seldomn) is an old one from the 80's, but was a very good model at that time, similar to the prestige models now. It came cheap, needed some work (most of it cleaning away the beer stains and retightening of some screws), but it is still a classy instrument. Good wood, good workmanship, good mechanics, ... .

    Nevertheless - new Ibanez are also good value for money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henning 4148 View Post
    Frets, yes, read that before. And the better word for fingerboard then is fretboard. German for tremolo would be Tremolo :-), also going by "Panikhebel" (Panik lever) or "Jammerhaken" (Whinge hook).
    Danke. Tremolo. Naturlich.

    You are quite funny. Panic Lever, indeed!

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    There's a nice review here


    If you're chasing the 335 thing then any of the far eastern made look-alikes are worth trying, the Epiphones (Dot Sheraton Lucile but NOT casino) are well known - the Yamahas (SA700 1000 2000) awe inspiring - I have a Vantage 635V which I picked up secondhand for a song - but try anything you can get your hands on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Panic Lever, indeed!
    The use of which was nicely demonstrated by someone called Hendrix IIRC ...

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    Nice guitar and video. I'd want a better idea of what it sounds like clean though before pulling the trigger, just to be sure. Most of the "tone" (and sustain) in that original video is being provided by the amp's overdrive, not the guitar itself. The last video demo will give you a much better idea of what it really sounds like. The better and more balanced it sounds clean, the better it is going to sound with the addition of an amplifier and gizmos. Various string types and brands can also make substantial differences in tone, and they don't always put particularly great strings on inexpensive guitars.

    I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking seriously about unloading a few of mine. Six basses, three twelve strings and a six-string, five amps, a synthesizer and a sixteen-track deck seems to be a bit much these days for an old guy playing in his office. The band isn't due to get back together for another 20 years or so, and we'll all be 85-90 years old at that point (which should be entertaining, if nothing else). I should probably keep the ones which don't weigh much.

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    Todd, if you're unloading a Ric 12-string, I'd love to know about it. Just, you know, sayin'.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    If you're chasing the 335 thing then any of the far eastern made look-alikes are worth trying, the Epiphones (Dot Sheraton Lucile but NOT casino) are well known..
    I had a Korean made Epiphone Sheraton a few years ago, which was very nice for jazz. It appeared to be quite well made, with a nice neck, but the pickups and tuners were a bit naff. I suppose swapping in a couple of Di Marzios and some Schaller tuners would have made it a very nice guitar, but I traded it for my Strat.
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    Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt
    If you're chasing the 335 thing then any of the far eastern made look-alikes are worth trying, the Epiphones (Dot Sheraton Lucile but NOT casino) are well known..
    What have you got against the Casino? I loved mine... and the Beatles apparently loved it, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    What have you got against the Casino? I loved mine... and the Beatles apparently loved it, as well.
    To be fair, the Beatles were using original American Epiphones, and the current ones are made in China or Korea. Nevertheless, this reviewer thinks the Casino is not bad for the money..

    https://www.guitarinteractivemagazin...iphone-casino/
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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    To be fair, the Beatles were using original American Epiphones, and the current ones are made in China or Korea. Nevertheless, this reviewer thinks the Casino is not bad for the money..

    https://www.guitarinteractivemagazin...iphone-casino/
    I'm not sure I'd dismiss the far-east Epiphones so quickly.... granted, mine was a genuine Kalamazoo guitar, circa 1967, but I've played a number of Japanese and Indonesian knock-offs, and have been pretty impressed. Incidentally, mine was precisely like the one in the video... cherry red, white pickguard.

    Bear in mind that American-made high quality guitars sport 4 figure price tags, even for 'simple' solid-body electrics... is the price difference justified, when comparing quality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post

    Bear in mind that American-made high quality guitars sport 4 figure price tags, even for 'simple' solid-body electrics... is the price difference justified, when comparing quality?
    No probably not. Like I said in #48, I had a Korean Epiphone and it was quite good. I also neglected to say it was probably the prettiest guitar I have ever owned. Lots of MOP inlays etc. But I would have swapped the pickups and the tuners if I had kept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    I'm not sure I'd dismiss the far-east Epiphones so quickly.... granted, mine was a genuine Kalamazoo guitar, circa 1967, but I've played a number of Japanese and Indonesian knock-offs, and have been pretty impressed. Incidentally, mine was precisely like the one in the video... cherry red, white pickguard.

    Bear in mind that American-made high quality guitars sport 4 figure price tags, even for 'simple' solid-body electrics... is the price difference justified, when comparing quality?


    It may not becworth it on a strict dollar per feature basis. But, as an example, I have been shopping for a Telecaster. The inexpensive ones may have intonation problems: when I fret a note down low and then the same note above the 12th fret, there was a semitone difference. There have three barrel bridges so I don’t know how these guitars can be properly intonated. And after 15 minutes of bendy riffs and runs, the guitar needed tuning. The same trials performed on the mid priced ( Mexican ) Teles did not evince these foibles . Stepping up to the American guitars I noted talker frets, more output from the pickups and a six saddle bridge.

    Now, if your playing by yourself or in a power trio, these things matter less than if you are playing with others, especially,God help you, horns or piano.

    YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    It may not becworth it on a strict dollar per feature basis. But, as an example, I have been shopping for a Telecaster. The inexpensive ones may have intonation problems: when I fret a note down low and then the same note above the 12th fret, there was a semitone difference. There have three barrel bridges so I don’t know how these guitars can be properly intonated. And after 15 minutes of bendy riffs and runs, the guitar needed tuning. The same trials performed on the mid priced ( Mexican ) Teles did not evince these foibles . Stepping up to the American guitars I noted talker frets, more output from the pickups and a six saddle bridge.
    All of this is undoubtedly true. I have similar problems with my Squier Telecaster (Indonesia), and my Squier Bronco Bass (Mexico, I think). In both cases, I think a few bucks spent for an alternate bridge would fix many of the problems... but then again, I own these strictly for my own amusement, and ain't NOBODY sees or hears me play them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Brennan View Post
    Just to hear yourself play, you can't beat a Pignose! Don't expect wonderful sound but it's not bad for a cheap sound.

    All my instruments are gone (arthritis) except for the Gibson... still can't bring myself to part with her. 103 last July.



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    I would have a tough time parting with that too. Have you had it appraised lately?
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    Some years back I bought a lowly Epiphone Dot, also a semi-hollow body, and it is one of the best purchases I ever made. If you take the $250 I paid for it and then divide it by playing time over the years, I would say I got my money's worth. Since I play it at night after the wife has gone to bed I play it through a Vox modeling amp and headphones. Occasionally I get to let it rip through the speakers.

    That Boss system does look like a blast! I have been looking at getting a more modest Boss system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CK 17 View Post
    I would have a tough time parting with that too. Have you had it appraised lately?
    No. Tell the truth, I'm afraid to find out it's worth a lot of bucks, in which case I couldn't justify keeping it.

    I feel bad about NOT getting it out into the hands of someone who could play it well and keep it 'exercized', but it's my last 'lifeline' to a past existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    I'm not sure I'd dismiss the far-east Epiphones so quickly.... granted, mine was a genuine Kalamazoo guitar, circa 1967, but I've played a number of Japanese and Indonesian knock-offs, and have been pretty impressed. Incidentally, mine was precisely like the one in the video... cherry red, white pickguard.

    Bear in mind that American-made high quality guitars sport 4 figure price tags, even for 'simple' solid-body electrics... is the price difference justified, when comparing quality?
    I believe so. There was a time when Mexican finishes were the best: no OSHA, but the fit, trueness, playability, and the difference in the pickups/electronics make them play, and sound, noticeably better. The resale value of a quality guitar is like that of a quality gun: it's always there.
    I've got a Martin D-35 that i love, love, love. Explaining the sustain it has, i told the salesman: "i play it for a while, set it down, go get a cup of coffee, come back, and it's still playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    What have you got against the Casino? I loved mine... and the Beatles apparently loved it, as well.
    The Casino - Like its Gibson Kalamazoo equivalent the ES330 - is a true hollow body guitar - whereas the AS53 (in the OP) like the ES335 and the others I mentioned - has a centre block - a four inch (approx) block of timber running the whole length of the body - taming the tendency to feedback.

    The Casino is not a bad guitar in itself - I've played a US original but not one of the recent far east versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    The Casino - Like its Gibson Kalamazoo equivalent the ES330 - is a true hollow body guitar - whereas the AS53 (in the OP) like the ES335 and the others I mentioned - has a centre block - a four inch (approx) block of timber running the whole length of the body - taming the tendency to feedback.
    Some think the lack of a center block is a virtue

    Admittedly, when I bought it, as a 16 yr old, in 1967, the ES335 was what I really wanted... but it was more expensive, and I couldn't afford it. I preferred the look of the ES335's bridge (didn't like the banjo tailpiece of the Casino)... but I came to love the Casino. Wish I still had it, in fact.
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    If you want a casino they are out there, the Japanese built Orville branded version is a very fine thing indeed but usually commands a four digit price.

    The current epi is a remake of the early casino/330 with a sixteenth fret neck joint if you are looking for the later format it might be easier to find a Gibby 330 one of my few real regrets was turning down the chance to buy an ES330 in natural for eighty five pounds.
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    Guitar Center sells a South Korean version of the Casino for $599:

    http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone...#productDetail
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    Todd, if you're unloading a Ric 12-string, I'd love to know about it. Just, you know, sayin'.
    I will most likely eventually sell off my 340/12, which is my spare (as if I'll ever need a spare) though I haven't gotten particularly serious about unloading it yet. It started out as a 330 (two pickups, mono) and I added a middle pickup on its own circuit. If you plug a mono jack in you get standard RIC 330. If you plug in a stereo jack you have an additional output to send to other effects, channels, tracks or a second amp. It has about the nicest grain I've ever seen on a 330 body. I wanted a really nice one and finally found this one in Miami. Then I had to make new pickguards to fit the new pickup arrangement. It won't be cheap though.



    You can hear it here: The first guitar you hear, which runs for the duration, is my other RIC twelve, played by tapping on the strings with my thumb and kind of frailing. This one comes in toward the end, flat-picked in a more normal fashion. The twangy guitar in the middle is a Yamaha Silent Guitar (steel six string), another pretty interesting instrument.

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    Wow. Popular thread. Here’s my latest that she bought for me the other day.

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    You guys have some great axes and great equipment. Me, I aspire to have great guitars and even more so to greater skills.

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    The coolest guitar we have is on loan from my wife’s grandma. She bought it new, and played it for years. I fixed the bridge, and now we play it. It sounds terrible.

    It’s hollow. Hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Bradshaw View Post
    I will most likely eventually sell off my 340/12, which is my spare (as if I'll ever need a spare) though I haven't gotten particularly serious about unloading it yet.
    Beautiful guitar. Nice song, too.

    Any suggestions on sourcing a 660/12? I think I want to go solid-body, as I already have a semi-hollow 12-string.

    What are you doing about it?




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    I used to have a Gibson Howard Roberts. It came with 13s for strings, real heavy. Without playing it, just turning it on and leaving it alone, it would start a feedback hum that just built and built. Never did like that guitar...

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    Were I looking for a new semi-acoustic, I'd be very tempted to try one of the new 339s
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    Yeah, I know you've seen it before but if you guys keep starting guitar pix threads, I keep posting it.

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