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    I did not see this coming:

    NRA Open to New Rules on Rapid-Fire Gun Accessories After Vegas

    (Bloomberg) -- The nation’s largest gun-lobbying group said devices that allow semiautomatic rifles to function like automatic firearms should be subject to new regulation after a growing number of Republican lawmakers say they’re open to such restrictions.

    Following a mass shooting in Las Vegas on Sunday, in which the gunman had weapons modified to allow rapid firing, the National Rifle Association called on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to review whether the "bump stock" devices used to modify semiautomatics comply with federal law.

    “The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” the group said in a statement on Thursday. The NRA also criticized politicians seeking to ban guns, saying doing so wouldn’t prevent a “criminal act of a madman.”

    For years, Republican lawmakers have been largely in line with the NRA, which has long objected to new restrictions. The shooting in Las Vegas, in which 58 people were killed, has brought new attention to bump stocks, aftermarket accessories that allow more rapid firing, and prompted Republicans’ comments. Many Democrats have long called for much stricter gun laws.

    With the NRA and Republicans, who control both chambers of Congress, open to more strict regulation of bump stocks, it stands a good chance of taking affect.

    House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin told MSNBC that changing the law is “something we need to look into.”

    “I didn’t even know what they were until this week and I’m an avid sportsman,” Ryan said.

    White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the White House wants to engage with Congress on the debate over bump stocks. “We welcome that,” she told reporters Thursday. “We want to be part of the discussion.”

    On Wednesday, Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican leader, said he’s open to considering new limits on bump stocks and called for a hearing. Senator Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, called for a ban on the devices.
    There is more.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nra...cid=spartandhp

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    Effective negotiators enter a negotiation equipped with a "gimme" for the other side, to avoid giving up anything they really prize.

    What are you doing about it?




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    ^ Bingo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Effective negotiators enter a negotiation equipped with a "gimme" for the other side, to avoid giving up anything they really prize.
    Exactly.

    Now ask yourself, "How much do the makers of those gizmos give to the NRA?"

    See how that works.
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    Completely in line with what I have been saying here.

    If they fire at the same rate with the same capacity as automatics, they
    should be treated the same as automatics.
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    ^ Congress didn't think so, for some godforsaken reason.
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    One company selling the device has sold out since the shooting.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    One company selling the device has sold out since the shooting.
    Do you mean had a run on them and sold every last one, or left the business?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I was looking at that too. A number of distribution sites are sold out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Do you mean had a run on them and sold every last one, or left the business?
    Sold out as in sold all in stock.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    I was looking at that too. A number of distribution sites are sold out.
    There are some very sick puppies in the US of A.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I wonder if there will be a shortage of belt loops next
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Sold out as in sold all in stock.
    pun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    pun?
    Surprisingly enough, no. My mind is rarely that fast.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    NRA might be open to new regulations, but not actual laws banning these slaughter devices. If it becomes a bill, expect the GOP to load it full of poison pill amendments that will make it very unpleasant for Democrats to support. Never expect the GOP to do something good for humanity just for the sake of doing the right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    NRA might be open to new regulations, but not actual laws banning these slaughter devices. If it becomes a bill, expect the GOP to load it full of poison pill amendments that will make it very unpleasant for Democrats to support. Never expect the GOP to do something good for humanity just for the sake of doing the right thing.
    it's a good thing that you democrats don't do such things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    it's a good thing that you democrats don't do such things...
    Answer the question, Phillip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    it's a good thing that you democrats don't do such things...
    When it comes to literally saving lives, we don't play petty politics. Expect the GOP to demand something in return if we want the slaughter to cease. This should be a clean bill to totally ban and outlaw these devices. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    Answer the question, Phillip.
    get rid of the leading question part
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    Everyone seems fixated on guns, as the topic of interest....

    ...but I'm more interested in the cultural psychology that has generated a mass shooting almost every single day, in the US, for the past 30 years.

    Isn't anyone interested in the answer to that question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    Everyone seems fixated on guns, as the topic of interest....

    ...but I'm more interested in the cultural psychology that has generated a mass shooting almost every single day, in the US, for the past 30 years.

    Isn't anyone interested in the answer to that question?
    I'm interested
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    get rid of the leading question part
    OK.

    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    Phillip, should gun laws be decided only by avid gun owners, or do we all have a right to voice an opinion?
    There is nothing leading about that. It is very direct.

    Answer the question, Phillip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    OK.



    There is nothing leading about that. It is very direct.

    Answer the question, Phillip.
    go ahead and have your opinion but when it comes to the actual law... you must educate yourself first and be very careful of your sources
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    go ahead and have your opinion but when it comes to the actual law... you must educate yourself first and be very careful of your sources
    It's been 6 hours and you are still evading a very simple, direct question that every single person in The Bilge and our society can answer correctly and without any effort at all.

    Answer the question, Phillip.

    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    Phillip, should gun laws be decided only by avid gun owners, or do we all have a right to voice an opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    go ahead and have your opinion but when it comes to the actual law... you must educate yourself first and be very careful of your sources
    You claim to not even know what sort of weapons he used.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    Exactly.

    Now ask yourself, "How much do the makers of those gizmos give to the NRA?"

    See how that works.
    Apparently not enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    You claim to not even know what sort of weapons he used.
    subject change? not knowing what the guy used is not directly connected nor should it be... that's what got us in trouble in the first place

    anyway, to worry about what model of rifles he used seems pretty gruesome to me and unnecessary too... let the cops figure that out... it's either auto or semi auto... deal with that first and don't get lost
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    It's been 6 hours and you are still evading a very simple, direct question that every single person in The Bilge and our society can answer correctly and without any effort at all.

    Answer the question, Phillip.
    you will never be satisfied with any answer... that is why I think you are untrustworthy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    you will never be satisfied with any answer... that is why I think you are untrustworthy
    lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    you will never be satisfied with any answer... that is why I think you are untrustworthy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    subject change? not knowing what the guy used is not directly connected nor should it be... that's what got us in trouble in the first place

    anyway, to worry about what model of rifles he used seems pretty gruesome to me and unnecessary too... let the cops figure that out... it's either auto or semi auto... deal with that first and don't get lost
    Eh?
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    you will never be satisfied with any answer... that is why I think you are untrustworthy
    Pedant

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    Sounds like they want to deal: the antis get a ban on bump stocks, something that is not really all that popular with NRA members; stores that couldn't get them out of inventory before last weekend, say they'll not restock: the NRA wants national reciprocity for CCW and easier suppressor availability.
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    require very long trigger pulls to use a bump stock... that outta solve a lota problems by itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Effective negotiators enter a negotiation equipped with a "gimme" for the other side, to avoid giving up anything they really prize.
    yup.

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