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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Why am I not seeing the pictures???

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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Another video. He has subbed out the spars.


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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldad View Post
    Why am I not seeing the pictures???
    What browser are you using? I can't get the videos to display in Safari.

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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Every time I watch another episode, it ticks me off how easy they make it look to achieve that level of craftsmanship. Don't they ever break a sweat? Screw up a piece and have to start over?

    And so now we know Leo has a deadline in mind. End of next year, perhaps? Or could be sooner than that.
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    Hi Dave,
    My money is on summer solstice 2023 for a launch. Things are moving fast with such a big crew.
    Cheers,
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    It would be great to see the launch in person. I should think it would be quite the launch party.
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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Quote Originally Posted by Woxbox View Post
    Screw up a piece and have to start over?
    Well there was the first keel pour...

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    Those are big slabs of wood for the spars!
    It will be interesting to see the progress on those.

    Looks like his visa status has a deadline and he has to launch before it expires.
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    I think there may be a few ways around the visa thing. I do hope his employees are "on the books". I am also hooping the family thing isn't too bad.

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    I think this is the next episode.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    That's gonna be one very hefty rudder!
    Great idea to have a removable cockpit in case the engine has to be pulled.
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    Great video this week. I have to admit that I'd never heard of "cokes" (however they are spelled).


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    I've been waiting for those bulwarks to go on!
    I was wondering what the cove was until he explained the reason, but I'll a bit perplexed why
    he didn't leave a gap along the whole length of the bulwarks. Seems it would be easier and less chance of rot between the bottom bulwark plank and the deck.

    One scary moment I noticed was when he was cutting the piece of purpleheart with that monster circular saw.
    He was holding the saw with both hands until the end when he used one hand to steady the piece. Problem was, he placed his hand directly behind the blade. Given the unstable setting, that saw could have easily kicked and it would have been "goodbye, hand".

    Somehow, after using power tools on almost a daily basis for 50 years, I still have all my fingers!
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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    I've been waiting for those bulwarks to go on!
    I was wondering what the cove was until he explained the reason, but I'll a bit perplexed why
    he didn't leave a gap along the whole length of the bulwarks. Seems it would be easier and less chance of rot between the bottom bulwark plank and the deck.
    It is nice to have the bulwark tight against the deck fore and aft, so that as the boat plunges into a sea or pitches it effectively has more freeboard, reducing water on deck. Also keeps your baubles from rolling overboard, more of a consideration aft around the cockpit.

    Although those little scuppers behind the stanchions are impossible to re-coat and seem like they will be the first places to rot. I probably would have made them a touch bigger, the easier to keep clean and painted.

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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    The old cutter I'm refitting had some rot in the covering board from this exact problem. The builder did make some drainage holes but not large enough for marina dirt. Only minor damage to the stanchion but rot did take a nice bite into the coverboard.

    ABA89E2F-F07E-43F6-8105-5C354B8AB458.jpg

    I've be procrastinating putting in a new bottom bulwark plank. Thank you Leo, the cove is a great idea
    Last edited by Lemsteraak; 01-03-2023 at 02:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    Great video this week. I have to admit that I'd never heard of "cokes" (however they are spelled).
    It's "coak". They were used when assembling large masts out of smaller trees for big square riggers.

    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemsteraak View Post
    The old cutter I'm refitting had some rot in the covering board from this exact problem. The builder did make some drainage holes but not large enough for marina dirt. Only minor damage to the stanchion but rot did take a nice bite into the coverboard.

    ABA89E2F-F07E-43F6-8105-5C354B8AB458.jpg

    I've be procrastinating putting in a new bottom bulwark plank. Thank you Leo, the cove is a great idea
    Do you have a thread about your boat? I'd like to see more.. she looks very interesting.

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    Is there a boat in the world which has not had rot in the covering board from sweet water getting in at the wood top timbers(stantions ) coming through?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    Do you have a thread about your boat? I'd like to see more.. she looks very interesting.
    Thank you, what you see is Vixen, an early BCC28, designed and built by some extraordinary people.

    I find Leo and the folks on this wogodenboat forum remarkable. The forethought that goes into a project like Leo's is beyond my imagination. We are discussing a cove that you don't see, behind a plank, that keeps water from collecting. This level of detail, the forethought that goes into just this one little thing takes building a boat to another level. We used to call this "being kind to the next owner" and is true, these thoughtful touches make a boat long lasting and a joy to own. We then are treated to Jonathan (J Madison) and his insights, again remarkable. They shared their knowledge refitting an old Atkins sailboat and are in I think Australia now.

    You all just make it look so easy. Thoughtfully restore a boat, make a video to share, how hard can that be .............?

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    Yes, Rich, please do make the cove larger. My better half grumbled for years that the "mouseholes were too small to easily clean out!" Now you get the opportunity to correct that.
    We both watched Leo's routing of that bottom inboard edge, "rooting" for the larger size to ease maintenance as well as to make the daily wash down more effective at keeping the fuzz of the AYC deck from getting stuck. Otherwise, Vicky is threatening to send Leo a batch of pipe-cleaners for the job.

    BTW, thanks for the compliments. You should document the wonders you done for VIXEN.

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    A bonus video. Zero woodwork though.
    https://youtu.be/PyyHzsW7MzA

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    Leo was very kind in not dropping the name of the company that made the plastic tanks
    and ripped him off by not refunding his deposit.
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    Fitting the bulwarks, there are some interesting angles cut on the stanchions.

    I'm not sure those gaps beneath the bulwarks are enough to clear a green wave.
    I think there may be some freeing ports let in, after the boat is launched.
    I'd be interested to hear what kind of visa he is getting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    I'm not sure those gaps beneath the bulwarks are enough to clear a green wave.
    I think there may be some freeing ports let in, after the boat is launched.
    Well, they do run over more than a third of the length, so should clear quite a volume.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Leo was very kind in not dropping the name of the company that made the plastic tanks
    and ripped him off by not refunding his deposit.
    Absolutely - IMO he didn't receive the product he requested - fuel tanks. Leaky plastic containers are not fuel tanks. They deserve some pain. OTOH, who, after watching that, will enquire about plastic tanks in the near future? Almost as good as naming perhaps, but he maintains the higher moral ground.
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    Back from getting his visa renewed.

    I would have preferred two hatch boards, so the bottom one can be fitted when there is water on deck.

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    That's an easy mod after the fact though Gareth. I agree, two drop boards would be nice. I'd go so far as to say, a bottom one, and two top ones. A screen top and a solid top. Maybe even a lean top so three tops and a bottom. How complex do you want to go though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post


    Back from getting his visa renewed.

    I would have preferred two hatch boards, so the bottom one can be fitted when there is water on deck.
    I think from the previous vid, with views down the deck, that you enter the companion from the cockpit. So water on deck will be outside the cockpit coamings.
    Not a clear view, though, so I could be mistaken.
    The closing sequence of this https://sampsonboat.co.uk/ep139/ Suggests a bridge deck, within the cockpit coamings.
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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Nick, I ran a boat for a number of years, that was not dissimilar to Tally ho in her deck layout. We would take the occasional wave over the stern quarter which would have been unpleasant, without a hatchboard in or freeing ports.

    defiance ny.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    Nick, I ran a boat for a number of years, that was not dissimilar to Tally ho in her deck layout. We would take the occasional wave over the stern quarter which would have been unpleasant, without a hatchboard in or freeing ports.

    defiance ny.jpg
    I have blown that image up as big as I can. Has she got any cockpit coamings as will be fitted to Tally Ho?

    Mind you, if the weather is that snotty I would want single full height companion hatch boards.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VI

    Curious about what the build time would have been on the original Tally Ho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlaboatnic View Post
    Curious about what the build time would have been on the original Tally Ho?
    I did a bit of digging. There is nothing to suggest that it took much more than a year. Albert Strange’s design number 96 “Betty”, designed in 1909 for Charles Hellyer.
    The gaff cutter called Tally Ho was built by Stow & Son in 1909 and launched in 1910. It went on to win the Fastnet Race for Lord Stalbridge, Hugh Grosvenor, in 1927.
    https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news...uction-3525042
    This is a history of the yard that built her.
    https://www.shorehambysea.com/stow-suter-yachts/
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    We have a similar small companionway with a single drop board, in rough weather we put the board in and just transit above it. I doubt there will be a dodger above, which is what can make that a bit awkward. I like only having one board to keep track of, though it would be easier to step over otherwise. Regardless of coamings, in big seas waves can still enter the cockpit area and potentially down flood.

    I was somewhat surprised to see the top is just edge glued teak. Seems that those joints will open over time, glued teak is a tough thing to keep happy in the baking sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Madison View Post
    We have a similar small companionway with a single drop board, in rough weather we put the board in and just transit above it. I doubt there will be a dodger above, which is what can make that a bit awkward. I like only having one board to keep track of, though it would be easier to step over otherwise. Regardless of coamings, in big seas waves can still enter the cockpit area and potentially down flood.

    I was somewhat surprised to see the top is just edge glued teak. Seems that those joints will open over time, glued teak is a tough thing to keep happy in the baking sun.
    May be the biscuits will help there? 17.00 in.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I was a bit surprised about the glued together teak top. Biscuits could help but only time will tell.
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