One insane englishman trying to rebuild the 1910 gaff cutter Tally Ho, in WA. (VIDEO)

[Peerie Maa]

I only wish I had the talent and patience of those young guys

I wish that I had their eyesight.

[Hwyl]

and stamina.

[Woxbox]

That deck is looking gorgeous.

[Toxophilite]

Lately, this and Roger Barnes have been the only videos I watch

[emf]

The yellow cedar against the teak is going to be striking. It reminds me of the yellow ceader viking ship.

[Rich Jones]

Decks like this have been built forever, but it is fascinating to actually see the workmanship and skill that is involved.
I wonder what each one of those huge teak planks cost. I'd be nervous as hell cutting into them.

[Peerie Maa]

The yellow cedar against the teak is going to be striking. It reminds me of the yellow ceader viking ship.

Love that. It is good to see authentic stems.

[Hwyl]

What's the phrase about the perfect being the enemy of the good enough?

[Peerie Maa]

An interim Port Townsend Fix.

[wizbang 13]

I suggested Leo use AYC for the whole freakin boat 5 years ago.

[StevenBauer]

I suggested Leo use AYC for the whole freakin boat 5 years ago.

You probably told him to strip plank her, too!

[wizbang 13]

You probably told him to strip plank her, too!

No, I knew Leo well enough from the Caribbean before he even got the boat for that.
But I did have a fantasy for awhile, That if I pushed the original old keel 40 feet to the side, and set up molds on it from Leos' lofting floor and laminated a new boat ,100 percent of AYC of course, frames , strip planked hull and deck ,which would have taken me about 6 months working alone, which of the two Tally Ho's would be the original one?

[pcford]

I suggested Leo use AYC for the whole freakin boat 5 years ago.

And he didn't listen to you? Amazing!

[wizbang 13]

And he didn't listen to you? Amazing!

well Pat, He had never heard of it then,so uh.....

[pcford]

well Pat, He had never heard of it then,so uh.....

NEWS FLASH FOR YOU WIZBANG: Alaska Yellow Cedar is not the best wood to use for all purposes.
(jeebus)

[wizbang 13]

okay Pat, What other single wood species is better and available for a whole boat, keel to truck?

[Canoeyawl]

Douglas Fir

[pcford]

okay Pat, What other single wood species is better and available for a whole boat, keel to truck?

Huh? Why would anyone want to do this?

[wizbang 13]

One might want to use one wood species for economy, practicality ,time savings...which speak to PNW availability.
and"greenness"vis a vis not importing rare timber from around the globe .Sort of the same thing
Why would you want to use 4 or 5 woods when one is good .
Why does one answer a question with a question?

bruce

[wizbang 13]

Doug fir would work, but would be less rot and worm resistant, so, not better in my book.
And I think good fir would maybe cost more than good AYC these days ?

[Rich Jones]

Back to Leo. It seems he had Covid so that will probably postpone the next video.

[pcford]

One might want to use one wood species for economy, practicality ,time savings...which speak to PNW availability.
and"greenness"vis a vis not importing rare timber from around the globe .Sort of the same thing
Why would you want to use 4 or 5 woods when one is good .
Why does one answer a question with a question?

bruce

....

[Peerie Maa]

One might want to use one wood species for economy, practicality ,time savings...which speak to PNW availability.
and"greenness"vis a vis not importing rare timber from around the globe .Sort of the same thing
Why would you want to use 4 or 5 woods when one is good .
Why does one answer a question with a question?

bruce

What timber species has the closest density and strength properties to the timber that the yacht architect designed his scantlings around?

[wizbang 13]

One can adjust scantlings for a wood species.
Leo had already lofted and framed the boat for , I think 1 1/4 planking ,before he had decided on or had his planking material, following the designers reccomendation, if I recall .
By that time it was too late to use AYC for the hull, as it would have needed 1 1/2 or 1 3/4 thick stock.

[Peerie Maa]

One can adjust scantlings for a wood species.
Leo had already lofted and framed the boat for , I think 1 1/4 planking ,before he had decided on or had his planking material, following the designers reccomendation, if I recall .
By that time it was too late to use AYC for the hull, as it would have needed 1 1/2 or 1 3/4 thick stock.

So you have answered your own question. The only major deviation from the original scantlings is all sawn framing rather than mixed, which is now known to be a bad idea.

[wizbang 13]

What question?
I think we may be talking about different things Nick ?
Shifting a substantial percentage of internal ballast to the outside was a pretty big deviation.

[pcford]

I asked the noted oldtime northwest boatbuilder Frank Prothero why he did not care for Alaska Yellow Cedar. He replied in his typically parsimonious manner: "Comes and goes too much."

I will take Frank's opinion rather than Whizbang's.

[Gordon Bartlett]

Seems I've already forgotten; what species did Leo end up using for planking?
And what was used originally?

[wizbang 13]

I think pitch pine was original and Wana was used for the new boat.

[wizbang 13]

I asked the noted oldtime northwest boatbuilder Frank Prothero why he did not care for Alaska Yellow Cedar. He replied in his typically parsimonious manner: "Comes and goes too much."

I will take Frank's opinion rather than Whizbang's.

You should take Protheros advice, for when you ever actually build a boat.

[Peerie Maa]

What question?
I think we may be talking about different things Nick ?
Shifting a substantial percentage of internal ballast to the outside was a pretty big deviation.

Why Leo did not use AYC.
Shifting trimming ballast to the outside does not require any change in scantlings.

[wizbang 13]

Why Leo did not use AYC.
Shifting trimming ballast to the outside does not require any change in scantlings.

ya sure?
It puts more strain on the floors , no?

[emf]

I thought the original boat was planked with teak and that was part of the reason Leo decided to use wana which was somewhat similar whithout the cost.

[pcford]

You should take Protheros advice, for when you ever actually build a boat.

I presume that Alaska Yellow Cedar is the material of choice for the boats you build, Whiz?

[wizbang 13]

It's the best for me, because as you may have heard, I like to use epoxy.
Here's my 34'er, 39 years ago, 3 weeks into the job,working alone .THe AYC frames took another 5 days .Every thing here is AYC.^
I ran out of AYC and finished the boat with Mt St Helens knock down fir for the planking and deck.
Here she is on the 13th week

Here is the first boat of the same design, built of 100 % AYC, in St Barts in 1978. I was the helper on this one, that is me on deck with the white jersey on my head with LouLou Magras.I was 24 at the time.

bruce