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  • DeniseO30
    Thinks too much..
    • Jan 2009
    • 4674

    Long soak of oak

    Going to cut up the rib stock for a few ribs that need to be replaced for my Ducker restoration, of course it's white oak and it's green or least somewhat air-dried.

    It's been almost 20 years but as I remember soaking & steaming White Oak in plain water did not cause it to discolor, I do remember reading something about adding fabric softener or various other things to the water when steaming? Just wondering what you all have done lately?

    These ribs are only 3/4" wide by 3/8" -1/2" inch thick. Also if I remember right, we would bend with the grain vertical on the bend rather than horizontal.
    All input appreciated thank you!

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  • Peerie Maa
    Old Grey Inquisitive One
    • Oct 2008
    • 62415

    #2
    Re: Long soak of oak

    Copy the grain that you can see.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    • mohsart
      Senile Mumbler
      • Mar 2014
      • 1066

      #3
      Re: Long soak of oak

      I'd say you are right about the grain.
      Soaking wood before steaming can be a good idea if the wood is really dry, if not it shouldn't be needed. The only discoloring I've seen when steaming oak is when there is iron in the system, ie heating the water with a rusty stove.

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      • nedL
        Senior Member #1976
        • Jul 2000
        • 7543

        #4
        Re: Long soak of oak

        I don't think you should have a problem with those little ribs. They are also fairly gentle bends considering the size of the ribs.
        Plane water, and as Mat said, no iron (steel) no staining. An hour in good steam for each inch of thickness and you should be good to go.

        Something I have done when replacing ribs is to make up a bunch of small 'toggles' that I screw into the old rib with drywall screws. These toggles then hold the new rib in place until well cooled.

        These ribs are 1" x 1 3/4"









        No "sister ribs", repaired the originals and doubled up where the travel lift will pick her up.

        and for fun.

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        • DeniseO30
          Thinks too much..
          • Jan 2009
          • 4674

          #5
          We used to bend lots of Cedar ribs and white oak or ash for stems on canoes, we had a pretty low failure rate

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          • DeniseO30
            Thinks too much..
            • Jan 2009
            • 4674

            #6
            Originally posted by DeniseO30
            We used to bend lots of Cedar ribs and white oak or ash for stems on canoes, we had a pretty low failure rate

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            Like the "toggles"!

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            • nedL
              Senior Member #1976
              • Jul 2000
              • 7543

              #7
              Re: Long soak of oak

              Ahhh, ... very nice!!!

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              • DeniseO30
                Thinks too much..
                • Jan 2009
                • 4674

                #8
                Originally posted by nedL
                Ahhh, ... very nice!!!
                Thank you!

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                • Geftb
                  Good Enough For the Bush
                  • Aug 2017
                  • 973

                  #9
                  Re: Long soak of oak


                  grain orientation floor timbers and ribs

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                  • DeniseO30
                    Thinks too much..
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 4674

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Geftb
                    https://youtu.be/dzCmES_Lwrs
                    grain orientation floor timbers and ribs
                    He didn't say anything about ribs but ill look at it again, I thought I've seen all his YouTube videos but every now and then another one pops up!

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                    • DeniseO30
                      Thinks too much..
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 4674

                      #11
                      Rift board begat 1/4 sawn rails

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                      • Jay Greer
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 14425

                        #12
                        Re: Long soak of oak

                        To speed up and aid in making the wood more flexible. I use a product made by Kodak known as "Foto Flo 200". Foto Flo 200 makes the steam wetter and allows it to penetrate the wood grain deeper and faster. This is a product that works and works well. It reduces the frequency of cracking ribs when bending the wood.
                        It is available from Amazon in sixteen ounce bottles for $15.45. I use about a table spoon to the boiler water for each new run.
                        Jay

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                        • Geftb
                          Good Enough For the Bush
                          • Aug 2017
                          • 973

                          #13
                          Re: Long soak of oak

                          Originally posted by DeniseO30
                          He didn't say anything about ribs but ill look at it again, I thought I've seen all his YouTube videos but every now and then another one pops up!

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                          at about th2 minute mark

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                          • DeniseO30
                            Thinks too much..
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 4674

                            #14
                            Got me doubting myself, this explains it well http://wolfgangbrinck.com/boats/boat...illedribs.html

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                            • DeniseO30
                              Thinks too much..
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 4674

                              #15
                              Rib stock

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