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    How about the following trade; we don't allow ANY deportations, but in exchange allow any undocumented worker a waiver of union requirements and the Davis-Bacon Act on Federal jobs? Bye bye union jobs at $75 or more per hour plus benefits.Or fixing hurricane damage.

    I feel this kind of proposal would put the Democrats (in the nature of full disclosure I am an extremely liberal Democrat) on the spot big time. They would have to choose between their buddies in the union or importing more knee-jerk Democratic voters. There's lots of work needed to fix hurricane damage now in at least Texas, Louisiana, Florida and maybe Georgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    There's lots of work needed to fix hurricane damage now in at least Texas, Louisiana, Florida and maybe Georgia.
    Sheesh, and Noyes said nothing much happened.
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    (in the nature of full disclosure I am an extremely liberal Democrat)
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    Methinks the Noisey One hath a "socke-puppette" developéd.
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    According to the UBC the average hourly journeyman rate in the US is about $37.00 an hour. That is after four years as an apprentice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    How about the following trade; we don't allow ANY deportations, but in exchange allow any undocumented worker a waiver of union requirements and the Davis-Bacon Act on Federal jobs? Bye bye union jobs at $75 or more per hour plus benefits.Or fixing hurricane damage.

    I feel this kind of proposal would put the Democrats (in the nature of full disclosure I am an extremely liberal Democrat) on the spot big time. They would have to choose between their buddies in the union or importing more knee-jerk Democratic voters. There's lots of work needed to fix hurricane damage now in at least Texas, Louisiana, Florida and maybe Georgia.
    You pay your cheap oui lawyer $500 an hour and have a problem paying your plumber $100?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    in the nature of full disclosure I am an extremely liberal Democrat
    you lie
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    Quote Originally Posted by stromborg View Post
    According to the UBC the average hourly journeyman rate in the US is about $37.00 an hour. That is after four years as an apprentice.
    There is a difference between what a worker gets paid and what the employer charges for his time.

    $74K/year is not a bad income. I am sure some plumbers get paid much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    How about the following trade; we don't allow ANY deportations, but in exchange allow any undocumented worker a waiver of union requirements and the Davis-Bacon Act on Federal jobs? Bye bye union jobs at $75 or more per hour plus benefits.Or fixing hurricane damage.

    I feel this kind of proposal would put the Democrats (in the nature of full disclosure I am an extremely liberal Democrat) on the spot big time. They would have to choose between their buddies in the union or importing more knee-jerk Democratic voters. There's lots of work needed to fix hurricane damage now in at least Texas, Louisiana, Florida and maybe Georgia.
    horrific idea.... the whole point of limiting Illegal Immigration is to help the working poor and working class in America, by eliminating illegal immigrants from the work force you force employers to raise wages until legal citizens can afford to do the work at a living wage.

    by simply enforcing existing immigration and labor laws you remove a controllable exploitable over abundance of low wage workers and create demand for workers to do jobs that need doing. If Major Corporations are no longer able to import cheap labor to do the jobs that they are unable to export then all wages for workers will rise.
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    My wife tells me Oprah says $75k/year is some sort of "sweet spot". I imagine it is pretty comfortable in some areas, not so much in others.
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    The Trump admin has already helped labourers here in New England, a friend who is a painter says the illegal work crews just are not around this summer... and his phone has been ringing off the hook, and he can now name his price for painting and remodeling work, providing a living wage for himself and his American citizen crew of workers.

    Leftist Liberal Richy Riches who own houses in coastal New England are hopping mad that they have to pay fair wages and do not have their slave labor/ 5$ an hour, illegal workers to exploit anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    The Trump admin has already helped labourers here in New England, a friend who is a painter says the illegal work crews just are not around this summer... and his phone has been ringing off the hook, and he can now name his price for painting and remodeling work, providing a living wage for himself and his American citizen crew of workers.

    Leftist Liberal Richy Riches who own houses in coastal New England are hopping mad that they have to pay fair wages and do not have their slave labor/ 5$ an hour, illegal workers to exploit anymore.
    While right wing hypocrites in other states are employing illegal immigrants just as they always have..

    First there are Texas Republicans like Dan Patrick. Having campaigned for office with a hard line immigration policy, his plans to penalize Texas employers who hire illegals has fallen off the bottom of his to-do list.

    Few Texas politicians have harnessed anger over illegal immigration like Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who rose from talk radio host to powerful state leader largely on the strength of his incessant border security screeds.

    Despite promising during the 2014 race to crack down on Texas employers who hire undocumented workers, it was status quo last session in the state Senate that Patrick oversees. And illegal hiring practices in the Texas workplace, which the state has authority to police, have largely gone missing from his public outrage over the porous border and illegal immigration. This is almost certainly due to pressure from his friends in the Texas business community.

    “We know what an important part immigrant labor plays in Texas, and to suddenly wipe out large sectors would have a devastating impact on the Texas economy,” said Bill Hammond, head of the influential Texas Association of Business, the state’s top business advocacy group. “We need immigrant labor to do those tasks where not enough Americans will.”


    https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12...ented-workers/

    Then of course we have Trump himself, who has a long and continuing history of employing immigrant workers, including illegals..

    The sixty-four foreign dishwashers, cooks, cleaners, and gardeners that Mar-a-Lago is expected to employ this year will be paid per hour roughly what they were paid last year. (The Palm Beach Post reported that the range is around ten to thirteen dollars an hour.) The foreign workers brought in to help staff the club tend to come from two countries, Haiti and Romania, according to someone who works at Mar-a-Lago as an employee of an outside contractor. Other clubs and resorts nearby hire even more H-2B workers than Mar-a-Lago does. “It’s very common in South Florida.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-of-mar-a-lago

    One way Trump is maximizing profits? He got permission from the US Department of Labor to hire 64 foreign guest workers to wait on his guests, cook their food and clean their rooms during the winter high season in Florida.
    Trump had applied to bring in these workers while promising during his presidential campaign to kick undocumented immigrants out of the United States and block imports. At the time, he defended the guest worker practice by saying it was common among US companies, who will bring in 119,000 temporary workers in 2016 and 2017, many to work seasonal jobs. Temporary foreign workers come into the country under the H-2B visa program.

    https://qz.com/909220/donald-trump-r...r-white-house/

    Sometime between 1979 and 1980, Trump hired a contractor to demolish an old building in midtown Manhattan to make way for Trump Tower. The contractor signed on workers from a local union and, to meet Trump’s tight deadline, also brought on 200 undocumented laborers from Poland dubbed the "Polish Brigade."
    The Polish employees were off-the-books, working 12-hour shifts seven days a week for $4 to $5 an hour, with no overtime. Some workers were never paid what they were owed.

    Appearing in court in 1990, Trump blamed the violations on the contractor and denied knowing that the Polish workers were undocumented.
    Nonetheless, Manhattan Judge Charles Stewart ruled against Trump a year later, saying that his representative "knew that the Polish workers were doing demolition work" and that his company participated in a "conspiracy" to cheat the union. Trump owed the workers a little more than $325,000 plus interest and attorney’s fees and costs, Stewart ruled.

    In 1998, several members of the Polish Brigade told the New York Times about their horrid working conditions. But Trump repeated that he didn’t know about the legal status of the Polish Brigade and said he would not settle the case out of court "on principle," according to the New York Times.


    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-1-million-hi/

    Twenty years after a squad of nonunion Polish demolition workers cleared the way for Trump Tower by tearing down the old Bonwit Teller building on Fifth Ave., Donald Trump has quietly settled a lawsuit brought on their behalf. The lawsuit against Trump was filed in 1983 by a crusty ex-boxer and dissident member of the housewreckers union named Harry Diduck. It was Diduck's claim that Trump had cheated Laborers Local 95 out of at least $300,000 in contributions to its benefit funds by secretly employing the nonunion workers. The workers, many of them undocumented immigrants, sweated through round-the-clock shifts and some even slept on the floors of the building they were demolishing. They were promised $4 to $5 an hour, but many were stiffed for even those low wages.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.834028
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    Quote Originally Posted by minimum View Post
    How about the following trade; we don't allow ANY deportations, but in exchange allow any undocumented worker a waiver of union requirements and the Davis-Bacon Act on Federal jobs? Bye bye union jobs at $75 or more per hour plus benefits.Or fixing hurricane damage.

    I feel this kind of proposal would put the Democrats (in the nature of full disclosure I am an extremely liberal Democrat) on the spot big time. They would have to choose between their buddies in the union or importing more knee-jerk Democratic voters. There's lots of work needed to fix hurricane damage now in at least Texas, Louisiana, Florida and maybe Georgia.
    Tell us again why those who under fall under DACA should be able to stay? Keep your virtue signaling to a minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    While right wing hypocrites in other states are employing illegal immigrants just as they always have..

    First there are Texas Republicans like Dan Patrick. Having campaigned for office with a hard line immigration policy, his plans to penalize Texas employers who hire illegals has fallen off the bottom of his to-do list.

    Few Texas politicians have harnessed anger over illegal immigration like Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who rose from talk radio host to powerful state leader largely on the strength of his incessant border security screeds.

    Despite promising during the 2014 race to crack down on Texas employers who hire undocumented workers, it was status quo last session in the state Senate that Patrick oversees. And illegal hiring practices in the Texas workplace, which the state has authority to police, have largely gone missing from his public outrage over the porous border and illegal immigration. This is almost certainly due to pressure from his friends in the Texas business community.

    “We know what an important part immigrant labor plays in Texas, and to suddenly wipe out large sectors would have a devastating impact on the Texas economy,” said Bill Hammond, head of the influential Texas Association of Business, the state’s top business advocacy group. “We need immigrant labor to do those tasks where not enough Americans will.”


    https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12...ented-workers/

    Then of course we have Trump himself, who has a long and continuing history of employing immigrant workers, including illegals..

    The sixty-four foreign dishwashers, cooks, cleaners, and gardeners that Mar-a-Lago is expected to employ this year will be paid per hour roughly what they were paid last year. (The Palm Beach Post reported that the range is around ten to thirteen dollars an hour.) The foreign workers brought in to help staff the club tend to come from two countries, Haiti and Romania, according to someone who works at Mar-a-Lago as an employee of an outside contractor. Other clubs and resorts nearby hire even more H-2B workers than Mar-a-Lago does. “It’s very common in South Florida.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-of-mar-a-lago

    One way Trump is maximizing profits? He got permission from the US Department of Labor to hire 64 foreign guest workers to wait on his guests, cook their food and clean their rooms during the winter high season in Florida.
    Trump had applied to bring in these workers while promising during his presidential campaign to kick undocumented immigrants out of the United States and block imports. At the time, he defended the guest worker practice by saying it was common among US companies, who will bring in 119,000 temporary workers in 2016 and 2017, many to work seasonal jobs. Temporary foreign workers come into the country under the H-2B visa program.

    https://qz.com/909220/donald-trump-r...r-white-house/

    Sometime between 1979 and 1980, Trump hired a contractor to demolish an old building in midtown Manhattan to make way for Trump Tower. The contractor signed on workers from a local union and, to meet Trump’s tight deadline, also brought on 200 undocumented laborers from Poland dubbed the "Polish Brigade."
    The Polish employees were off-the-books, working 12-hour shifts seven days a week for $4 to $5 an hour, with no overtime. Some workers were never paid what they were owed.

    Appearing in court in 1990, Trump blamed the violations on the contractor and denied knowing that the Polish workers were undocumented.
    Nonetheless, Manhattan Judge Charles Stewart ruled against Trump a year later, saying that his representative "knew that the Polish workers were doing demolition work" and that his company participated in a "conspiracy" to cheat the union. Trump owed the workers a little more than $325,000 plus interest and attorney’s fees and costs, Stewart ruled.

    In 1998, several members of the Polish Brigade told the New York Times about their horrid working conditions. But Trump repeated that he didn’t know about the legal status of the Polish Brigade and said he would not settle the case out of court "on principle," according to the New York Times.


    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-1-million-hi/

    Twenty years after a squad of nonunion Polish demolition workers cleared the way for Trump Tower by tearing down the old Bonwit Teller building on Fifth Ave., Donald Trump has quietly settled a lawsuit brought on their behalf. The lawsuit against Trump was filed in 1983 by a crusty ex-boxer and dissident member of the housewreckers union named Harry Diduck. It was Diduck's claim that Trump had cheated Laborers Local 95 out of at least $300,000 in contributions to its benefit funds by secretly employing the nonunion workers. The workers, many of them undocumented immigrants, sweated through round-the-clock shifts and some even slept on the floors of the building they were demolishing. They were promised $4 to $5 an hour, but many were stiffed for even those low wages.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.834028
    your point being... Politicians are SCUM?.. agreed, aparrently the SCUM are doing something to help the little guys... in like the previous admin...

    looks like a lot of poor Americans were voting their pocket books when they voted... Against Clinton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    While right wing hypocrites in other states are employing illegal immigrants just as they always have..

    First there are Texas Republicans like Dan Patrick. Having campaigned for office with a hard line immigration policy, his plans to penalize Texas employers who hire illegals has fallen off the bottom of his to-do list.

    Few Texas politicians have harnessed anger over illegal immigration like Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who rose from talk radio host to powerful state leader largely on the strength of his incessant border security screeds.

    Despite promising during the 2014 race to crack down on Texas employers who hire undocumented workers, it was status quo last session in the state Senate that Patrick oversees. And illegal hiring practices in the Texas workplace, which the state has authority to police, have largely gone missing from his public outrage over the porous border and illegal immigration. This is almost certainly due to pressure from his friends in the Texas business community.

    “We know what an important part immigrant labor plays in Texas, and to suddenly wipe out large sectors would have a devastating impact on the Texas economy,” said Bill Hammond, head of the influential Texas Association of Business, the state’s top business advocacy group. “We need immigrant labor to do those tasks where not enough Americans will.”


    https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12...ented-workers/

    Then of course we have Trump himself, who has a long and continuing history of employing immigrant workers, including illegals..

    The sixty-four foreign dishwashers, cooks, cleaners, and gardeners that Mar-a-Lago is expected to employ this year will be paid per hour roughly what they were paid last year. (The Palm Beach Post reported that the range is around ten to thirteen dollars an hour.) The foreign workers brought in to help staff the club tend to come from two countries, Haiti and Romania, according to someone who works at Mar-a-Lago as an employee of an outside contractor. Other clubs and resorts nearby hire even more H-2B workers than Mar-a-Lago does. “It’s very common in South Florida.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-of-mar-a-lago

    One way Trump is maximizing profits? He got permission from the US Department of Labor to hire 64 foreign guest workers to wait on his guests, cook their food and clean their rooms during the winter high season in Florida.
    Trump had applied to bring in these workers while promising during his presidential campaign to kick undocumented immigrants out of the United States and block imports. At the time, he defended the guest worker practice by saying it was common among US companies, who will bring in 119,000 temporary workers in 2016 and 2017, many to work seasonal jobs. Temporary foreign workers come into the country under the H-2B visa program.

    https://qz.com/909220/donald-trump-r...r-white-house/

    Sometime between 1979 and 1980, Trump hired a contractor to demolish an old building in midtown Manhattan to make way for Trump Tower. The contractor signed on workers from a local union and, to meet Trump’s tight deadline, also brought on 200 undocumented laborers from Poland dubbed the "Polish Brigade."
    The Polish employees were off-the-books, working 12-hour shifts seven days a week for $4 to $5 an hour, with no overtime. Some workers were never paid what they were owed.

    Appearing in court in 1990, Trump blamed the violations on the contractor and denied knowing that the Polish workers were undocumented.
    Nonetheless, Manhattan Judge Charles Stewart ruled against Trump a year later, saying that his representative "knew that the Polish workers were doing demolition work" and that his company participated in a "conspiracy" to cheat the union. Trump owed the workers a little more than $325,000 plus interest and attorney’s fees and costs, Stewart ruled.

    In 1998, several members of the Polish Brigade told the New York Times about their horrid working conditions. But Trump repeated that he didn’t know about the legal status of the Polish Brigade and said he would not settle the case out of court "on principle," according to the New York Times.


    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-1-million-hi/

    Twenty years after a squad of nonunion Polish demolition workers cleared the way for Trump Tower by tearing down the old Bonwit Teller building on Fifth Ave., Donald Trump has quietly settled a lawsuit brought on their behalf. The lawsuit against Trump was filed in 1983 by a crusty ex-boxer and dissident member of the housewreckers union named Harry Diduck. It was Diduck's claim that Trump had cheated Laborers Local 95 out of at least $300,000 in contributions to its benefit funds by secretly employing the nonunion workers. The workers, many of them undocumented immigrants, sweated through round-the-clock shifts and some even slept on the floors of the building they were demolishing. They were promised $4 to $5 an hour, but many were stiffed for even those low wages.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.834028
    ever wonder why the US Border is broken? it's not because Monsanto Mc Donalds, Oil and Energy Companies, the Hospitality industry and the Democrat and Republican leadership have lots of love for Illegal Immigrants...

    follow the money stupid.

    Illegal immigration provides MultiBillion dollar industries in the USA with controllable exploitable labor and keeps Wages low for the rest of America working poor...

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    And you were looking for a tax cut Daniel. Always is Me, Me, Me,Me with your type isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    And you were looking for a tax cut Daniel. Always is Me, Me, Me,Me with your type isn't it?
    ...?... oh you think I voted for Trump!... I did not.

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    Would have if you had been over 18!

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Twenty years after a squad of nonunion Polish demolition workers cleared the way for Trump Tower by tearing down the old Bonwit Teller building on Fifth Ave., Donald Trump has quietly settled a lawsuit brought on their behalf. The lawsuit against Trump was filed in 1983 by a crusty ex-boxer and dissident member of the housewreckers union named Harry Diduck. It was Diduck's claim that Trump had cheated Laborers Local 95 out of at least $300,000 in contributions to its benefit funds by secretly employing the nonunion workers. The workers, many of them undocumented immigrants, sweated through round-the-clock shifts and some even slept on the floors of the building they were demolishing. They were promised $4 to $5 an hour, but many were stiffed for even those low wages.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.834028
    I love this.
    Twenty years after the fact, Harry, a crusty ex-boxer realizes, "hey our benefits fund seems a bit low,
    I think we had some un-documented workers somewhere that didn't kick in - let's see, who's got some spare cash?"

    How would anyone know what unknown workers were paid, as they were not on any books?
    How many were claimed, and how many actually existed?
    How would anyone know that they slept on the floor, and worked 24x7?
    "Sweating thru round the clock shifts"
    They were stiffed wages -again, how would anyone know?
    It would seem risky indeed to sleep on the floor of a building being demolished, and the noise 24x7...

    Just sounds a bit trumped-up, but just plausable enough without much evidence.
    Looks like the only one that made out, was the benefits fund of the union workers, judging by the quotes.
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    You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Abridged version: Polish workers brought on in 1979-80, suit filed 1983, Trump settles 1999
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    "Just sounds a bit trumped-up..."

    Such a deliciously ironic term, given the present-day circumstances...
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