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    By an aging old fat dude with bad knees. Trailerable, though she'd probably live on a dock. Protected waters and inland lakes. Open or half decked. Auxiliary propulsion should oars. Shallow draft is necessary. Mostly sailed solo, or with one other person aboard.

    Thoughts?
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    Heather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    By an aging old fat dude with bad knees. Trailerable, though she'd probably live on a dock. Protected waters and inland lakes.

    Thoughs?
    11'11" Welsford SCAMP with a deep footwell so easy on the knees.

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    Well duh....

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    Let's stretch it out just a bit. I don't need the seaworthiness of scamp and would prefer a little more sailing performance.
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    Crossing oceans or crossing bays Paul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Crossing oceans or crossing bays Paul?
    inland lakes
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    Catboat...

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    Do you want traditional or modern hot? Wood, glass, or not really care? Somewhere there might be an older Rhodes 19 or its wooden predacessor just looking for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    Do you want traditional or modern hot? Wood, glass, or not really care? Somewhere there might be an older Rhodes 19 or its wooden predacessor just looking for you.
    Or Cape Dory Typhoon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Or Cape Dory Typhoon?
    Great boats but they don't have the shallow draft that Paul is looking for.
    My Hvalsoe 13, while a beautiful boat and great to row, it's hard for me to sail. My aging body can't shift around fast enough make for an enjoyable time.
    So, I'd suggest something at least 16'.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    I had in mind the centerboard Rhodes. The Typhoon is a lovely keel boat but not what Paul might want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    I had in mind the centerboard Rhodes. The Typhoon is a lovely keel boat but not what Paul might want.
    Yep - missed the shallow draft part.
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    I'm thinking catboat, too. Is a Beetle Cat too small?

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    Beetle Cats are a blast to sail. Purty too.
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    Alden O Boat. plans from our host.


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    Your description screams catboat. Maybe call the Hudson museum.

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    We have a Beetle, yes too small.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woxbox View Post
    I'm thinking catboat, too. Is a Beetle Cat too small?

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    Look how comfortable this guy looks sailing his Navigator. Every time I see a comparison, the Navigator skipper just seems more relaxed and comfortable. Sure seems like a capable, dry, well mannered and good looking craft. The biggest issue might be setup time and the gawkers slowing you down when you want to launch. That's not such a bad trade off though when it comes to boat compromises.



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    Considering it's dead flat water and very little wind he'd damn well better be comfortable. :-)
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    There are quite a few designs that will meet your specifications. Here are some of my favorites:

    1. Whilly Boat and Whilly Tern by Iain Oughtred
    2. Anything else by Iain Oughtred
    3. The aforementioned Navigator
    4. Phoenix III by Ross Lillistone
    5. 15' Northumbrian Coble by Paul Fisher
    6. Windward 15 by Karl Stambaugh

    You have a great many choices from these and other designers. Best of luck - John

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    Kerriiiist.... 23 posts to get to it.

    Catamaran.

    A Tornado is doable single handed, but maybe a tad smaller... say a Stingray - trailable flat, rather than at an angle - like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Kerriiiist.... 23 posts to get to it.

    Catamaran.

    A Tornado is doable single handed, but maybe a tad smaller... say a Stingray - trailable flat, rather than at an angle - like this

    I crewed one of the rescue boats at the local yacht club for a couple of seasons, and capsised Tornado's were the absolute worst to deal with. Especially ones with just enough holes in the mast to let it fill up by the time we got to them. Try standing on a bobbing deck with a mast on yer shoulder for several minutes, while the damn thing drains.
    Half the time, the mast was driven into the bottom (Christchurch estuary, either clean hard sand, or soft stinky mud), so they first job was towing it gently out, so nothing got broken.
    The rest of the time, odds on they would pick up just enough wind and momentum as they came up, that they would keep right on going and fall over the other way. Back to square one!
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    Stir-Ven 19 is probably bigger than you are looking for, but what a beauty! I've admired it since it came out and if I had room to start a new build it would be a top contender.

    For something a little more modern in style and very capable and quicker to build Core Sound 17.

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    A small trimaran will give you a good seated sailing position.
    Not much effort to move around the cockpit.
    Sails flat. "More" performance for the size.
    Trailerable.
    Shoal draft when the board is up.

    An old design - Cross 18. If you want to build - but it may be hard to get plans.


    Or a Searunner 16.
    No moving about the cockpit required (can be built for 2 persons).


    Well I just noticed the oars for aux propulsion. Not sure that works

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Catamaran.
    I like cats. Especially larger ones. But I don't see how a small cat is the best option for someone with band knees.

    Basically what I'm looking for is a boat that can be sailed while seated comfortably either from a side deck or from a bench and that when tacked or gybed doesn't require one to crawl to the other side of the boat on one's knees. I don't mind if the boat heels much. Ducking a boom is not an issue, but getting on my knees is a major issue, or rather getting back up is really the big deal. No cartilage remaining in one knee, and have had multiple repairs to the other and am missing a kneecap. . .
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    Paul,

    Serious, or intellectual excercise?

    Those Core Sounds are cool. I know a guy who owns #55...

    But, what do you want the boat to LOOK like? Do looks matter? Type?

    I might lean lean toward a small tri, probably. There are a bunch of ways to skin that cat, but comfortable sitting and sailing are two things a small tri would provide. There are some easily, quickly built small trip plans in the world.

    I like this game, though. I am always playing "which boat" .

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    That one guy what hangs around here drew that boat he calls a Walkabout. I like that boat a lot, too. Seems like it might work for your needs.

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    Intellectual exercise for today.

    I'd prefer a monohull, wood. Plywood doesn't bother me, but I don't want a woodenboat without any feeling of it being a woodenboat. Meaning I don't want every surface inside and out to be glassed. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Intellectual exercise for today.

    I'd prefer a monohull, wood. Plywood doesn't bother me, but I don't want a woodenboat without any feeling of it being a woodenboat. Meaning I don't want every surface inside and out to be glassed. . .
    Yep. I feel you. That's exactly what I was after. That helps not recommend certain stuff.

    So, what about the seating arrangements in, say Walkabout or Phoenix III? Both of those would fit your bill, I think, and be simple to build, and look all lapstrake romantic, too.

    How curvy and lovely does it have to be? Are you making it? Build time or skill a factor?

    Peace,
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    Maybe Lapwing? Same designer as Core Sound and good performance, but more "wooden boaty".


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    non wooden but I waited too long on a $2,400 west wight potter 15 two weeks ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by switters View Post
    non wooden but I waited too long on a $2,400 west wight potter 15 two weeks ago.

    sorry thread drift!

    Ah, WW Potter 15! We had one when I was a kid. I use to sail it on the Potomac River. Slow but stable and tons of fun!

    I think my dad paid $2500 in '79 for our used one.
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    Drascombe Lugger


    Or, given the state of the knees
    An international 2.4 - where knees are entirely optional

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