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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Bananas!

    Fire departments.

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    Iced cream.

    Mylar balloon, shaped like Spider-Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    By 'real world' I mean 'observation of physical reality'. A lab is as real as a mountainside or the far side of another star, it's all the same world.

    It has been completely validated, beyond any reasonable doubt. There are multiple independent dating methods that all correlate and reinforce each other. None of it is even close to compatible with a young earth. If you don't accept that evidence, nothing we can say will convince you.

    I answered 'what in the real world would falsify my position' many pages back, immediately after you asked. And if you aren't a biblical literalist/fundamentalist, you are the probably the only young-earther who isn't.
    lab is as real :

    the Lab may be real - but what comes out of it isn't .

    the processes are unfathomable to the layman and the results cannot be checked by a layman's grasp.

    Unlike tree ring counting which is completely understandable by ordinary people.
    perhaps there being no trees >10,000 yrs old is not positive evidence for a younger age - but there being an apparent "glass wall" - an age beyond which no tree seems to attain - well that becomes provocative when many trees that seem to be well able to live longer, for some reason don't.

    It has been completely validated, beyond any reasonable doubt :

    It would seem that you have never investigated the matter, or are simply in denial - in which case If you don't accept the evidence, nothing I can say will convince you.

    I answered 'what in the real world would falsify my position'

    so you did - something to the effect "..... if Noahs flood were true there would be many evidences from many disciplines, all over the earth ...." IIRC

    and indeed isn't that just what we observe:

    "billions of dead things

    buried in rock layers

    laid down by water

    all over the earth"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank! View Post
    lab is as real :

    the Lab may be real - but what comes out of it isn't .

    the processes are unfathomable to the layman and the results cannot be checked by a layman's grasp.

    Unlike tree ring counting which is completely understandable by ordinary people.
    perhaps there being no trees >10,000 yrs old is not positive evidence for a younger age - but there being an apparent "glass wall" - an age beyond which no tree seems to attain - well that becomes provocative when many trees that seem to be well able to live longer, for some reason don't.

    It has been completely validated, beyond any reasonable doubt :

    It would seem that you have never investigated the matter, or are simply in denial - in which case If you don't accept the evidence, nothing I can say will convince you.

    I answered 'what in the real world would falsify my position'

    and indeed isn't that just what we observe:

    "billions of dead things

    buried in rock layers

    laid down by water

    all over the earth"
    Frank, just because you are not able to understand the science does not mean that the science is wrong. All it indicates is that you are not equipped to discuss science.

    A wee test for you:
    What is meant by the half life of a radioactive isotope?
    What is the half life of potassium40?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    Has any progress been made in the matter of brainwashing ?
    I don't think so - and isn't it about time the issue was explored?

    I mean, looking at history, - N. K. with its parody on the Christian story, Hitler - Goebbels' 'Radio for the Masses' with the BBC channels filtered out, Lenin and so on ...... so common that it almost seems the rule rather than the exception that human societies develop a politically correct thought regime.

    so what makes you think we might be exempt?

    and given how pervasive the word "evolution" is in our culture - might not one be justified in having some suspicions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    .......................................
    How about you prove to us will undeniable evidence that the world is only 6,000 years old?
    I have found creation.com to have a very effective search function with perfectly readable articles on just about every topic.

    so rather than my trotting out a few examples, why don't you put your scepticism to the test for yourself?

    there are many other sources (who knew?) but this one is one of the largest, oldest, and most respected sites of its kind on the net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank! View Post
    I have found creation.com to have a very effective search function with perfectly readable articles on just about every topic.

    so rather than my trotting out a few examples, why don't you put your scepticism to the test for yourself?

    there are many other sources (who knew?) but this one is one of the largest, oldest, and most respected sites of its kind on the net.
    Frank, every time you have quoted a creation website it has been debunked, either because any evidence that contradicts the authors dogma is ignored or in one case because the author was shown to dishonestly omit part of Gould's text in order to create the impression that Gould believes something that he did not.
    So, don't try to rely on your flakey websites, amass the evidence for your self and make the case your self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank! View Post
    I have found creation.com to have a very effective search function with perfectly readable articles on just about every topic.

    so rather than my trotting out a few examples, why don't you put your scepticism to the test for yourself?

    there are many other sources (who knew?) but this one is one of the largest, oldest, and most respected sites of its kind on the net.
    I had a look at some of the articles and I didn’t believe any of it. So you will have to do better than that. As for understandable by the layman, do you understand calculus because I don’t? Does that mean it’s not real?
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank! View Post
    I imagine you think this is clever, because I draw. It’s not.

    This is a ridiculous and slightly insulting link.

    I am a serious student of anthropology, Frank. Double major and all, eh? I have also mentioned Cuneiform here before, I’m sure. It is the written language used by Abram, the father of all the Hebrews.
    So, if, according to the Bible itself, Abram, after the name change, became the father of the Hebrews, how could they have made up the first alphabet?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform_script
    Here is a link for you to not read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank! View Post
    sorry, lost on me ......
    I thought he point was to type random words unconnected to reality or meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    I thought he point was to type random words unconnected to reality or meaning.

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    Ah but.
    None of those words existed in the Hebrew of Abraham's time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Ah but.
    None of those words existed in the Hebrew of Abraham's time.
    Good point. The historical record points to ancient Hebrews being fans of DC comics.

    Mylar balloon, shaped like Batman, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Good point. The historical record points to ancient Hebrews being fans of DC comics.

    Mylar balloon, shaped like Batman, then?

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    Should that not be inflated goats bladder shaped like a man in a blanket?
    C'mon, think it through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Should that not be inflated goats bladder shaped like a man in a blanket?
    C'mon, think it through.
    Oh. Are we sticking to reality, now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Oh. Are we sticking to reality, now?

    Peace,
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    Well if we can't get the language right weeble geferto boosh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Should that not be inflated goats bladder shaped like a man in a blanket?
    C'mon, think it through.

    Okay. Based on the average weight of a cured goat bladder, how much helium would it need to hold to float? Would one bladder be large enough, or is it a composite balloon were talking here?
    Seams sealed with pitch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post

    Okay. Based on the average weight of a cured goat bladder, how much helium would it need to hold to float? Would one bladder be large enough, or is it a composite balloon we’re talking here?
    Seams sealed with pitch?

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    A bit of research indicates that it won't float, a bladder weighs about 50 g and displaces about half of a litre. Helium provides 1.13 g lift per l. So a bladder needs to be on a stick.


    Another problem is that you need gold-beaters skin to contain helium, that is from a cows intestine, not a goat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    A bit of research indicates that it won't float, a bladder weighs about 50 g and displaces about half of a litre. Helium provides 1.13 g lift per l. So a bladder needs to be on a stick.
    How many sewn together bladders do we need to overcome the critical mass?
    Any mathemagicians in the house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    How many sewn together bladders do we need to overcome the critical mass?
    Any mathemagicians in the house?

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    I edited whilst you posted, we need goldbeaters skin to contain helium. Bladders would be too leaky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    I edited whilst you posted, we need goldbeaters skin to contain helium. Bladders would be too leaky.
    Progress!
    Now, we need to find the numbers on goldbeaters skin, and run them through the ballon makers matrix.

    This is going to happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peerie maa View Post
    well if we can't get the language right weeble gefertam boosh.
    ftfy
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    Quote Originally Posted by webishop14 View Post
    ftfy
    LOL! I'm so glad you cleared that up!
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    ^ ^ .

    Damned dlsyexia again.
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    2355 posts on when dinosaurs and man roamed the earth together ending in whether goat bladders will hold helium.

    I think this thread is getting better and more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    2355 posts on when dinosaurs and man roamed the earth together ending in whether goat bladders will hold helium.

    I think this thread is getting better and more interesting.
    To see if goat bladders will hold helium so we can reconstruct an ancient Batman party balloon.

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    I think Nick determined that we would need a Batman-on-a-stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webishop14 View Post
    I think Nick determined that we would need a Batman-on-a-stick.
    Yes, but hes old fashioned. I am the innovator suggesting multiple skins may at some point overcome the mass/volume barrier we need to float Batman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Yes, but he’s old fashioned. I am the innovator suggesting multiple skins may at some point overcome the mass/volume barrier we need to float Batman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post


    Hehe. Blimp. Hehe.
    Blimp.
    Blimp.
    Hehe.

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    This is all far better than talking about mitochondria and tectonics.

    More my level at least....

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    Is that single or double Dutch?
    Enquiring minds and all that
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    A bit on evolution
    An "exceptional" 530-million-year-old fossil contains what could be the oldest eye ever discovered, according to scientists.
    The remains of the extinct sea creature include an early form of the eye seen in many of today's animals, including crabs, bees and dragonflies.
    Scientists made the find while looking at the well-preserved trilobite fossil.
    These ancestors of spiders and crabs lived in seas during the Palaeozoic era, between 541-251 million years ago.
    They found the ancient creature had a primitive form of compound eye, an optical organ that consists of arrays of tiny visual cells, called ommatidia, similar to those of present-day bees.
    <snip>

    The right eye of the fossil, which was unearthed in Estonia, was partly worn away, giving researchers a clear view inside the organ.
    This revealed details of the eye's structure and function, and how it differs from modern compound eyes.
    The species had poor vision compared with many animals today but it could identify predators and obstacles in its path, researchers believe.
    Its eye consists of approximately 100 ommatidia, which are situated relatively far apart compared to contemporary compounds eyes, the team have found.
    No lens

    Unlike modern compound eyes, the fossil's eye does not have a lens.
    The team believe this is likely to be because the primitive species, called Schmidtiellus reetae, lacked parts of the shell needed for lens formation.
    Prof Brigitte Schoenemann, of Cologne University, who was also involved in the study, said: "This may be the earliest example of an eye that it is possible to find.
    from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-42264946

    Now if only we can be certain of the date.
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    There you go getting all sciency again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    There you go getting all sciency again...
    Sorry, thread drift.

    No, wait . . .
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    More suitable science...
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